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Now, I’m a huge HA fan, I have automated loads of stuff but even I struggle to see the point of this and LG’s efforts as well.
Although methinks I should go to CES next year just to check stuff out.
K.
(HA = Home Automation)
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What a waste of time. I need to go to the dryer and put the washing in so why not push the start button whilst I am there….
John
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Having experienced the technical support calls, I say so very loosely, on how to get the back off a tumble dryer or, how to access a thermistor or motor and numerous other things that any proper repairer should be able to work out themselves…
Can you just imagine the calls you’d get from, “The washing machine can’t see the dryer on the network and it can’t be seen on the customer’s phone, what do I do?”
No doubt the answer for many would be to replace the motor an module then hope for the best. :rolls:
“Must be the module that’s faulty as I don’t understand it.” (And can’t be ar$ed to find out or work it out)
K.
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i cant think of a reason to have this at all
is this not just the delay start just fancier a feature that was listed as useless recently by which?Re: And the point is…
We’ve been on this subject before, a while back though, and I can’t find the earlier threads. 🙁
BSH are taking a leading role in this ‘smart technology’ and have been researching the subject for some time now. All to do with high tech home appliances controlled within home of the future. Saving energy using off peak power, and energy efficient appliances. All controlled not only by a central communications console in the home (that monitors the lighting, heating, alarm systems,cctv, electrical appliances etc) but accessed and controlled remotely via the Internet through smartphone technology.
Your 21st century home can therefore be monitored remotely from anywhere in the World. If an alarm goes off it alerts you to the dangers. For example, if the freezer has suddenly stopped freezing your Android or rotten apple phone will alert you. You can switch the CCTV camera on in the utility room to view the appliance and switch it off if necessary and contact the repairer man.
All clever stuff….. there’s more HERE
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I’ve been controlling my home like that since the 90’s Martin, it’s nothing new. 😉
Just a sales gimmick.
K.
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Oh blimey Ken, you too have been a victim of high pressure sales then? Mind you I realise that you’re well up to speed on cutting edge stuff though and there’s no getting away from the fact that all this is possible and available for all those that can afford it at this present time. Looking toward the future and this technology will be commonplace, starting with those that can afford it (top end clientele) so if you’re gonna stick around for a while best keep tabs…I reckon.
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No.
I started a while back because it saved me money as, when a little younger and living alone I was apt to going out on a weekend’s “entertainment” and forgetting to switch stuff off. That was way more than a decade ago.
So, automated it all.
Saves me electricity and hassle. Gives me something to tinker with.
It’s not as expensive as you think, so long as you’re not going for a full blown CBus or Crestron system or that type of thing. X10 and Zwave etc. are perfectly affordable by many.
What happens here with this stuff is that it is generally proprietary and therefore about as much use as a chocolate fireguard in terms of home automation, which is what they’re trying to sell it as.
Or, connecting to a system that doesn’t exist, like SmartGrid. But again, it’s pretty superfluous really.
Either way, useless and anyone that you’d try to sell the feature to that might actually be willing to pay for it, will be pretty clued up I would think.
K.
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Reminds me of the time planes where invented, they said they would never catch on.
Today a salesroom has opened in Knightsbridge for clients to purchase a private plane, fully fitted out showroom with mock cabinets full of toys with prices only Arabs find normal.
That will probably die a death too, unless you believe the owner who when interviewed expressed the view that the world is not as financially 888ed as we believe he is simply responding to market pressure.
Personally I cant wait for the day the appliance tells me whats faulty, i can charge a lot to fix it and blame it on the technology when it fails ;).
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Nice post lee8 :tup:
(blimey did I really say that? 😛 )
Seriously speaking this technology is where we’re headed…get to grips with it, it’s coming……. 🙂
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Martin wrote:there’s more HERE
Must be having a boring evening ‘cos I went there for a read.
Found this sentence,Bosch wrote:The average German household washes four kilograms of laundry per person per week, which means the country as a whole launders its way through 600,000 metric tons of detergent, over six billion kilowatt-hours of electricity and around 330 million cubic meters of water.
Not quite sure of population of Germany but sounds like a lot of detergent for a week, so rather than work it out myself I’ve sent them an email asking them to clarify what they’re talking about.
Meanwhile, read a little further down,
Bosch wrote:BSH’s i-DOS technology.
Hmm. Couldn’t have chosen a more appropriate name.
On the whole though, despite my nit-picking, I’m all for more accurate control of detergent, water and energy use.
I don’t think we’ll need to worry too much about those sort of systems malfunctioning – it’ll either be a sensor or soap reservoir bunged up or a board change required. After all we’ve been living with sophisticated electronics for years and it’s scarcely changed anything regarding what goes wrong.
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Give it some time and new builds will start having the whole house controlled literally by the house, everything powered will be controlled by a higher intelligence than its owner to create and energy efficient lifestyle.
Your washer will have access to detergent stored within or near the appliance, removing the need for the client to fill, as clients assume quantities rather than RTFM (Read the Fuc8in Manual) fridges/Washing Machines/cookers/coffee machines being told when/how to run, not by their individual components but by the main frame brain, so no PCB to replace on the appliance itself. The house computer will set the temp in the fridge for you and run it without even needing to think about it.
Having said that with many clients I meet a 1980’s calculator has more intelligence and would likely confuse them.
I’m surprised though that this tech has been so slow to develop, if you look around both commercially and domestically the amount of energy wasted must be greater than the cost to implement.
It may well be the lifestyle for any young child to look forward to in their middle yrs, assuming the tech can be continued. The main stumbling block though is the 20 somethings around today seem to be too thick to even get a career started never mind develop this type of tech or be able to pay/use it. :rotfl:
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For a number of years now new builds have had structured cabling. Well, some at least.
There are gains to be had in terms of energy from such endeavours but, possibly not as many as some may assume. Benefits lie in other areas.
Automatic dosing has been about for years. Doesn’t work, you can’t make it intelligent enough.
You cannot run remote devices in the manner you think. You need local intelligence and to work more on a mesh type framework or you introduce inherent unreliability across the entire system.
The notion of a fridge setting its own temperature dependent on conditions, we’re already there and have been for a long time.
The use of RFID has been mooted for laundry. Doesn’t work unless all your clothes are RFID tagged. Few are or are liable to be in the near future.
All this stuff is great and could quite possibly be used but a long time back someone in the HA community coined the phrase “WAF” as being the single most important thing in home automation design. It stands for Wife Acceptance Factor.
What it means is a whole other story but, essentially, if a person totally alien to the “cool” or “nerdness” of this stuff thinks it good and will use it then it’s probably okay.
If not, it’s dead before it starts.
An example, a good one, is the transition from a candle to an electric light.
Lighting a candle is easy. You can use a match, you can use a lighter and so on.
Flicking a switch and getting a better light is good, technological advance and people can understand it easily.
But if the power is flaky, you still need the candle.
Needless to say, many didn’t trust the electric light for a number of years until the power supply was as reliable as flicking the switch was only, when you flicked that switch, you became pretty sure the light would come on.
Then you ditched the candle.
K.
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whats happens when technology gets a bit to clever
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines springs to mind , Cyberdyne Systems and skynet..
ally
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