Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

[Storminmike]

Our Ariston AWD1200 has today started bangin about when attempting to spin with a load in. It behaves OK when there are no clothes in and just water.

Investigations to date

Wet running OK without clothes
Top off…Concrete weight on top secure, Concrete weight at front secure, springs (of which there are 2 at top) secure to frame and to drum.

Back off…shock absorbers connected at foot of machine frame and connected by bolts at drum. No obvious broken bits seen. Slight grease stain on one shock absorber.

Pushing down on drum stretches springs presumably against shock absorbers. Can be pushed down with one hand and appears to bounce back without extreme oscillation. Not sure how much force the shock absorbers should exert but I could push down with one hand.

Run with lid off (I know) oscillation on spin quite bad and appears to twist a bit too. Machine presumably sensing imbalance stops spinning.

Inside drum, rotates fine by hand with only whine noise presumably motor being pulled round. No other obvious noises.
Tried pulling inner drum, minute movement back and forth (say 1mm tops).

Are the shock absorbers done for or is there something else I’ve missed

I can’t blow the whole Christmas budget getting someone out this near to the holiday season for what is after all a misbehaving washing machine.

Tried phoning Appliance Services (A-U-L) Ltd but no answer.

I found a currys parts site too listing the shock absorbers at £20 each

Any advice welcome…or is it the skip
What’s the going rate for repairs and do all engineers charge a call out 👿 …even if it’s not an emergency

Thanks…Mike

[Simon46]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Pay close attention to the drum and push down in three places around circumference. Does it move closer / away to doorseal. If so the shaft has fractured.

Regards
Simon

[Penguin45]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Empty the filter……

Penguin45.

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Penguin45 wrote:Empty the filter……

Penguin45.

Pardon…Empty the filter 😕 What filter you’ve really confused me now. How can a filter whatever or wherever it is make wobble like mad all over.

I await enlightenment 😆

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Simon46 wrote:Pay close attention to the drum and push down in three places around circumference. Does it move closer / away to doorseal. If so the shaft has fractured.

Regards
Simon

Forgive my ignorance here as although I’m mechanically minded this is a leap into the unknown.

When you say push down in three places do you mean push on the drum with the lid off or via the clothes entry?

When I watched it from above the whole drum/drive concrete assembly moved as one but obviously the movement meant it joggled around in three dimensions, so much so that when viewed from above you could see the door seal being tugged at.

As for the shaft reference I’m lost as to what bit you refer. The whole drum outer, the driven wheel on the back, the three cornered spider bit, motor and concrete all appear to be as 1. When I rotate the big wheel at the back the drum inside goes round fine.

Any chance of elaborating a bit…please?

[Simon46]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Slow empty could cause weighty clothes with water to act as force that could cause the drum to move excessively. Drain then spin.
Also if the three spoke shaft in side the drum bolted to the back of the moving inner drum is cracked then the drum will revolve off balance. like a car alloy wheel with broken spokes. The door porthole where the clothes go to check movement.

Regards
S

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Simon46 wrote:Slow empty could cause weighty clothes with water to act as force that could cause the drum to move excessively. Drain then spin.
Also if the three spoke shaft in side the drum bolted to the back of the moving inner drum is cracked then the drum will revolve off balance. like a car alloy wheel with broken spokes. The door porthole where the clothes go to check movement.

Regards
S

I think I get it now…my interpretation of the above, which may be wrong.

The inner drum which is a cylinder within the outer drum must be driven and supported from the back because it has a door has no support at the front. The drive to the inner drum is from the rear and because it’s tin has say a 3 legged (maybe) arm thingy bolted too it to give rigidity and a means of attaching a driveable shaft.

Importantly I think you are suggesting that the 3 arm thingy (which I guess is hidden and sanwiched between the inner outer drum) has a broken arm allowing the inner drum (because it’s only supported at one end) to flail about a bit. Wouldn’t this cause the two drums to bang together?

The shaft is the only thing to come out the back from the inner drum, passing through the outer drum to the driven big wheel. At this point the two may well as one but the bit you can’t se is knacked.

You suggest pushing the drum sideways from inside via the door to detect if the support spider thingy is bust

Am I on the right track and if it is should I be looking for another machine?

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Simon46 wrote:Slow empty could cause weighty clothes with water to act as force that could cause the drum to move excessively. Drain then spin. Regards
S

The weight bit seems to hold water too (eek 😳 ) I don’t know how to drain it without it spinning. Does this relate to the mysterious EMPTY FILTER comment above ?

I thought they were supposed to be able to spin with water and a bit of weight in them too 😯

Oooh thanks for your comments (and Mr Penguin too) to date

[Penguin45]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Have a little look at this piccie:
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ucts_id=77

That’s a drum support (not the one for your machine) and the arms can break. By positioning each drum paddle at 6 o’clock in turn and then trying to pull the drum towards you, you will quickly detect if one of the arms has failed. Result – thudding and banging on spin.

If the filter and bottom hose is badly obstructed, the machine may well slowly empty, BUT, when it picks up into the spin, the rush of water coming from the clothes cannot escape easily and will cause the drum to thrash about in the casing.

HTH,
Regards,
Penguin45.

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Thanks Penguin45

I’ll go have a look. That 3 arm thingy looks well beefy and must take some effort to bust. I guess by saying paddles at six o’clock that the arm fixings line up with the paddles?

This filter pump thingy. I looked thought the back before and I thought I saw the pump, it looked a bit small and wimpish and appeared to be at the lowest point of the machine, bolted to the base or very near. I was near the front face of the machine too. Can it be flushed out or do I have to reach in pull the pipes off. Where would the filter be if that’s were you’re suggesting a fault might be. I suppose it being a washer/dryer could lead to fluff build up if that’s possible 😯

[Penguin45]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Arms bolt on behind the paddles.

Filter – if you remove the kick panel across the lower front of the machine, the filter chould be accessible there. Have a towel handy as the machine is never quite empty. BTW, if the machine is coupled to a sink spigot rather than a stand pipe, check that joint for blockages as well.

Consider that on last rinse, when there is the most water in the machine, it should drain to empty in 30-40 seconds.

Penguin45.

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

UPDATE

I tried the move the inner drum thing about and…

with each paddle in turn at 6 o’clock and one hand on the inner drum at 12 o’clock and one at 6 o’clock I got a tapping noise at one position at least, sometimes at two.

I had to use two hands to create a bending lifting force as just pulling the bottom out moved the whole thing. Out with the bottom and in with the top was like moving the inner drum about the shaft axis of the outer drum.

The tapping noise sounded like (and I’m guessing here) that one or maybe two of the bolts holding the arms was loose. Maybe it was a broken arm, maybe the bearing behind is jiggered but it is quiet when nothings in it 😯

Is it beyond economical repair 😕

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Penguin45 wrote:. BTW, if the machine is coupled to a sink spigot rather than a stand pipe, check that joint for blockages as well.

Consider that on last rinse, when there is the most water in the machine, it should drain to empty in 30-40 seconds.

Penguin45.

It’s on a sink spigot and I’ve had tha bit off and that’s ok from wahty i could see

[Storminmike]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Storminmike wrote:

Penguin45 wrote:
. BTW, if the machine is coupled to a sink spigot rather than a stand pipe, check that joint for blockages as well.

Consider that on last rinse, when there is the most water in the machine, it should drain to empty in 30-40 seconds.

Penguin45.

It’s on a sink spigot and I’ve had that bit off and that’s ok from what I could see

[Penguin45]

Re: Ariston AWD1200 banging about when spinning?

Hmm – I think you’re out of luck however we look at it. The drum support appears to be obsolete 🙁 . The inner drum is listed @ £140 odd, plus VAT – at that price it may well be a drum and spider assembly, but the info is not specific enough.

Anyway, it’s a lot of money for an older appliance amd one helluva job to fit………

Sorry.

Try and have a good Christmas – there’ll be some good bargains when the sales start.

Penguin45.

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