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March 13, 2005 at 7:25 pm #128208
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KeymasterRe: bought a new bosch 43C12 dishwasher not drying properly
from what bosch man is saying, there is no drying cycle on these machines, it merely uses the residual heat of the dishes to dry them, so the only way to get em drier would be to increase the rinse water temperature, not actually lenghten the drying time which one can do anyway ie not to open machine for extra 20 minutes after it has finished.
i have looked and 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of bosch dishwashers dont have fans wheres alot of the zanussi ones have to give 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} drying.
it doesnt really bother me now i know its normal. i will try the non eco wash tonight , this from the manual means a 5 degree higher temperature of the rinse water. π
March 13, 2005 at 7:31 pm #128209gegsy
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All dishwashers have a drying cycle, its just the process has changed.
Older types used to have a solid element in base used to heat water and in drying cycle would energise.The new more efficient dishwashers use the heat of the final rinse combined with the rinse aid to dry.Greg
March 13, 2005 at 8:27 pm #128210BSH-MAN
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gegsy wrote:Off the top of my head, some of these models have an electronic adjustment as stated in instruction booklet to adjust length of drying cycle.
BSHman could probably help me out hereGreg π
Yes youβre correct, some models do have this extra dry option. They tend to be a bit higher up the range. Off the top of my head I would say that this model hasnβt.
Iβve never seen any Bosch (or other brand) with a fan. Some Bosch types fill a large chamber on the outside of the tank with cold water for the steam to condense on.
It would be possible to add extra elements to almost bake the plates dry, 8) but the power consumption would go skywards! The watchwords these days are economy, economy, economy! π
March 14, 2005 at 9:51 am #128211admin
KeymasterRe: bought a new bosch 43C12 dishwasher not drying properly
the normal non eco cycle, everything is dry except the back of the tank, so i suppose all is well with it π
as regards no having seen a fan, nearly all zanussis have it, they call it turbo drying system http://www.zanussi-electrolux.co.uk/nod … odID=13403
basic models have residual drying, the better ones have a fan as well as the residual drying.
obviously bosch dont have this technology yet π
March 14, 2005 at 9:41 pm #128212BSH-MAN
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Anonymous wrote:
obviously bosch dont have this technology yet π
:rotfl: :lol2:
March 14, 2005 at 9:45 pm #128213gegsy
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the better ones have a fan as well as the residual drying
Some Indesit and Ariston have this feature.
And who said comedy was dead π
March 14, 2005 at 11:28 pm #128214kwatt
KeymasterOh and the turbo dry system is used on a few machines, it uses a cylindrical heater that is very expensive as a general rule to replace. And they do fail, the Whirlpool one (IIRC) was Β£70 plus to buy in, scary.
K.
March 15, 2005 at 9:05 am #128215admin
KeymasterRe: bought a new bosch 43C12 dishwasher not drying properly
on the other hand though, if it fails at least u still have the residual dry system and can top it of with rinse aid.
what gets me is the cost of rinse aid is more than the cost of the electricity saved by getting the dishwasher to dry them a bit better say by using a fan, or increasing the final rinse temperature slightly.
March 15, 2005 at 9:36 am #128216kwatt
KeymasterRe: bought a new bosch 43C12 dishwasher not drying properly
Rinse aid is required I’m afraid as it breaks down the surface tension of the water allowing it to freely run off the items being washed. Without rinse aid, even with fanned drying, I should think you would get “streaks” or “run marks” and possibly “spotting” where the water had not carried food particulate off the items and certainly the water would not run off properly.
I am aware that there are systems out there, I think in commercial appliances, that do not require rinse aid but there’s a huge increase in cost of one of those over a domestic appliance. But we only really get involved in the domestics here. π
K.
March 15, 2005 at 12:11 pm #128217admin
KeymasterRe: bought a new bosch 43C12 dishwasher not drying properly
how is it possible for 20 years my bendix dishwasher dried dishes without a drop of rinse aid in it, and we never used tablets either, just powder in the dispenser. i never noticed any spotting to be honest either.
this is why this leads me to the conclusion modern dishwashers are designed to use this stuff.
March 15, 2005 at 12:46 pm #128218kwatt
KeymasterRe: bought a new bosch 43C12 dishwasher not drying properly
Anonymous wrote:this is why this leads me to the conclusion modern dishwashers are designed to use this stuff.
Yes, they are.
But I think you’re just lucky in all honesty as we get loads of compaints and, have had for the past 20 years I’ve been at this, about poor wash results and, invariably, on of the biggest single reasons is either the lack of or incorrect dosing of rinse aid and/or soap powder/tablets/liquid.
K.
March 15, 2005 at 6:47 pm #128219gegsy
ParticipantRe: bought a new bosch 43C12 dishwasher not drying properly
Without rinse aid your 20 year old dishwasher would have to have dried for longer; using more electricity than the modern dishwasher and in the long run would cost more than using rinse aid in todays machines.
Greg
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