Built-in gas oven

[daveandjack]

Hi,

We need to buy an eye level built-in gas oven, either single or double. There seem to be virtually no reviews of any of the models. Can anyone advise which manufacturer’s are best or who to avoid? We have indentified:

Stoves
Hotpoint
Belling
New World
Baumatic

The oven is used frequently for a small family so gets a lot of use.

Hotpoint seem to have a good brochure but I can’t find any reviews of their models (DY330 and SY23). Belling and New World have very little by way of specifications on their web-sites and, again, I can’t find any reviews. I found a couple of user reviews on Bauamtic and Stoves and all were awful.

Can anyone advise? Have we missed any?

Thanks

[don]

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Hi

Stoves, Belling and New World all come under the Glen Dimplex Home Appliances umbrella. The Stoves badge will be to a higher spec and you will get a few added extras. New World fills the lower end of the market while Belling sits in the middle of their price structure.

Hotpoint generally produce good ovens, I would leave Baumatic well alone.

Gas ovens are very low volume sellers hence the lack of choice out there. Probably has something to do with all the cooking programmes on TV these days :rolls: All the chefs seem to favour the dual fuel option ie gas hobs which are more responsive than their electric counterparts and an electric multifunction oven.

HTH 🙂

Don

[daveandjack]

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Thanks Don,

Do you have any particular experience of the Hotpoint DY330G as this seems to be the only one which includes a variable gas grill (which we think is important) and fan cooling (which, having read the advice on this site, also seems to be rather important!)? I don’t know why, but I feel really uneasy about the New World/Belling/Stoves ovens – of the few reviews I’ve found, I found some really bad ones about Stoves and they’re the top range.

On a related note, does anyone know if its possible to install this type of double unit in a tall appliance cupboard and still have room to mount an integrated microwave above it at a sensible height?

Thanks

[don]

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Hi

I myself have no experience of the Hotpoint I`m afraid but I`m sure someone else may have, so as they say watch this space 😉

On the installation side of things I would phone the Hotpoint advice line on
08000 921 922 just to be sure, the last thing you need is a null and void guarantee because of an unsatisfactory installation.

HTH 🙂

Don

[gandh1]

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double ovens:

hotpoint dy330x – 2 ovens, variable GAS grill, minute minder-stainless
s/steel only (black – subject to confirmation of supply later in year)

stoves 900gdomk2 – 2 ovens, variable GAS grill, programmer
s/steel or black

belling xou90g – 2 ovens, variable GAS grill, programmer (discontinued)
s/steel only

belling bi90g – 2 ovens, variable ELECTRIC grill, programmer (new model)
s/steel edging with black glass

new world 90g – 1 oven (bottom) variable GAS grill (top), digital timer
s/steel or white

[gandh1]

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daveandjack wrote:Hotpoint DY330G as this seems to be the only one which includes a variable gas grill (which we think is important) and fan cooling

Fan cooling across the board on belling stoves and new world, and if hotpoint have confirmed it, on the dy330 too.

daveandjack wrote: I don’t know why, but I feel really uneasy about the New World/Belling/Stoves ovens – of the few reviews I’ve found, I found some really bad ones about Stoves and they’re the top range.

stay away from the stoves rotostar. its great in theory, and awesome when they work, but when even one of GDHA’s topline “super” engineers tells you theyre still trying to find a solution to the complicated electronics that overheat for the rotostar ovens, then id wait till theyre happy.

what you really have to remember is that the majority of people who go to the effort of writing reviews off their own back, are people who have experienced problems and wish to express their frustration at having a prblem. for the last 4 or 5 years stoves, belling and new world have been the only brands with a 870-900mm gas oven on the market, so lets say, choice has been somewhat limited – especially if you didnt want s/s, so there wouldnt be much competition to compare a similar oven to.

hotpoint dallied with the dy230x around ’04-’05, and then for some reason it stopped.

ok belling stoves and new worlds are known to have the occasional cooling fan failure. however i would be dubious that the hotpoint electronics are any more reliable, based on all their other appliances.

when it comes to warranty the stoves and the hotpoint should both come with a 1 years p&l warranty, and an additional extra 4 years parts warranty when registered.

should you have a problem between year 2 and 5 with your hotpoint ive been told by them the parts are free but you pay a call out (£108~) and also an hourly rate, unless you underwrite the extra 4 years parts warranty with their extended guarantee…

should you have a problem, in or out of warranty, gdha (who look after the belling and stoves brands) will do a call out, for approx £150 including first hours labour and parts are f.o.c. also they will warranty the repair for a year against an identical parts failure for that price

compare this with hotpoints £108 callout and £40-something for first hours labour, it seems to be the better option, and even more so should it be over 5 years old.

the sad truth tho is that you want a gas built in oven, so your choice is horribly restricted. its a toughie, i personally sourced a stoves when my relative was faced with the same choice and she loves it.

daveandjack wrote:On a related note, does anyone know if its possible to install this type of double unit in a tall appliance cupboard and still have room to mount an integrated microwave above it at a sensible height?

should be doable but your biggest issue is that the oven will be rather low in order to facilitate safely reaching into the microwave. consider microwaving a meal and the plate has got hot and its head height. your instant reaction will be to drop it. should you have a heated liquid or sauce it will almost certainly fall on you as well.

so from a safe and practical point of view, built in microwave over the oven only really if the oven is a single and not double format!

besides integrated m/w are one of the biggest cash cows for the manufacturers, so if you go double, as theyre not great value for money, might be worth having a table top panasonic.

[Penguin45]

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OP wants an eye-level grill. Built-under double ovens are not what is required……

Penguin45.

[daveandjack]

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Thanks for all the advice!

Since my original posting, we’ve come the conclusion that, given the scarcity of players in the gas market, we’d bite the bullet and have a cooker radial put in. Also, given the comments about the height of the microwave, we’ve reverted to a single oven and combination microwave.

We were about to go for Hotpoint OS987CIX and MWH434AX as this is a single oven which can be split into 2 and a combination microwave.

However, reading around this site, it seems that Samsung do a similar type of oven (which is a bit cheaper) and that Sharp do fitting kits which allow their microwaves to be intergrated (and this works out a LOT cheaper).

Other than the fact that the Samsung and Sharp wouldn’t match, can anyone suggest which option would be best (in terms of lifetime cost and funtionality)?

Thanks

[don]

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Hi

The Hotpoint 2 in one ovens hasn`t exactly caught the imagination of the public or the retailers TBH. Everytime someone brings out a product that does two things I cringe, like washer dryers and LCD TV`s with built in DVD player. You have two clock timers an insulating divider to convert the one oven into two which makes “two” cavities of which the smaller is a mere 23 litres ( smaller than the small one a double oven.

Then best combo Is is a standard single oven with an integrated combination microwave over, we went for this option ourselves a couple of years ago and had no regrets.

I would personally go with the Sharp combi micro range. The R86STMA, R959SLMA and the R98STMAA all have build in kits available as optional extras for around £99 INC VAT.

HTH 🙂

Don

[gandh1]

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Penguin45 wrote:OP wants an eye-level grill. Built-under double ovens are not what is required……

Penguin45.

who mentioned built under?

[daveandjack]

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Hi folks,

I have downloaded the manual for the Sharp R98STMAA combination microwave with the intention of getting the mounting kit and mounting this in an appliance cabinet above the oven.

However, page 5 of the manual, in the section about the mounting kit, says…

“The microwave oven is not designed to be built above or near a conventional oven”…

I take it that this means this is a non-starter?

Can anyone advise, thanks?

[kwatt]

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Hi Dave,

I wouldn’t recommend a gas oven to anyone. Any I’ve tried have been, well, pants really. Temperatures are all over the place with little or no stability and an oven that burns the base of a pizza whilst leaving the topping a soggy mess is no use to anyone.

But I digress as I’ve just picked up on this…

Microwaves above normal ovens are a no-no, pretty much period. It all ends in tears usually.

The current crop of Indesit/Hotpoint.. whatever… ovens I’ve little experience of but the last ones i tried were the usual Italian type ovens, okay but nothing spectacular.

The Samsung ovens, I tried to get for review but couldn’t get one, Samsung didn’t even respond to the request which doesn’t inspire confidence when it’s a manufacturer totally new to the cooking arena.

This sort of thing worries me because you tend to find little “quirks” with cookers and ovens. For example, on continental Europe people generally heat with the grill, they don’t cook with the grill. So, what you find is that because we like our bacon butties in Blighty, that the grill isn’t good enough to toast properly let alone incinerate a bit of bacon till it’s good and crispy. This may seem a little trite and unimportant but you wouldn’t believe the number of times I’ve had people complaining about it, I guess it really comes down to what you want.

With the Koreans this is an issue because, no doubt, the ovens will be tailored to either, what the Koreans think is right or, what the Koreans think is right for Europe. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it is what people want in the UK if you see what I mean.

Built in ovens for the moment are a bit of nightmare as all the big names seem to be competing on price, much of that to get into the more lucrative contract markets I expect and not so much on the performance of the actual product. Without going to what to most people would be silly money there’s really not much I’ve seen to single any one brand out as being better than any other. In fact, even I’d struggle to choose and I know the market.

For Hotpoint you may as well save a few quid and buy one with an Indesit badge on it as it’s the same shell, perhaps a few bells and whistles on it. Style will change as well.

Probably not a lot of help I know, but it gave you something to read. 🙂

K.

[daveandjack]

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Hi,

Thanks for the info – it is much appreciated.

I agree with you entirely the grill – to us this is hugely important as it is probably the single most used feature of our existing (stand alone) gas oven.

Regarding the comment about microwaves above ovens – does this refer to stand alone microwaves with build in kits, or does it also apply to those which look like the manufacturer has intended them to be mounted like this? For example, Hotpoint have the MWH434AX which looks (and costs!) more like an oven that happens to be able to microwave as well, rather than a microwave which can also grill.

Thanks.

[kwatt]

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Hi,

I’ve tried a few so-called combi ovens including the current all-singing, all-dancing Panasonic (who are spectacularly unhelpful) that has a super-duper grill, oven and steam function. Basically, IMO, it’s a microwave that happens to be able to do the other bits, sorta.

I’ve yet to come across one that’s a true combi cooker. I think it’s just because there’s too many compromises being made to fit so much into such a small space. It all works and the primary function of being a microwave is pretty good but, the other functions just cannot even remotely compete with a proper cooker or oven.

Let me put it this way, I’ve used the grill once and gave up after that!

The oven function I’ve used a couple of times where I really needed the extra capacity.

Steam function is next to hopeless IMO.

It may well be that I haven’t persevered enough with it to be fair but, life’s too short to faff about with a machine that half works.

HTH

K.

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