Can anyone repair Gas appliances as long as they don’t…

[andy_art_trigg]

Can anyone repair Gas appliances as long as they don’t don’t touch the gas bits? I was told that I couldn’t touch gas appliances as I’m not trained or registered for it and anyone working on Gas should be Corgi registered. Now I’ve been told that I can fix them, as long as I only deal with the electrical and mechanical side.

I would have thought that anyone repairing a gas product would be legally responsible for ensuring its safety and checking for leaks etc. just as someone fixing a washing machine should check its electrical safety.

How can I recognise any dangerous signs, or bad installations if I’m not Gas trained? What is the law regarding this please? If it’s OK then fair enough, but I want to know the truth.

[Martin]

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Not Corgi registered?…the law says you cannot touch or tamper with any gas appliance.

By “anyone” I guess you refer to us in the trade? No! Not unless you are CORGI registered you mustn’t lest you want to end up in court with the full weight of the law to answer to and your insurers turning their backs on the deal 🙁

[andy_art_trigg]

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As you know I work for Comet and they initially told me I couldn’t work on Gas and didn’t give me any. Now, a couple of our engineers just went on a Gas course and they were apparently told that as long as you don’t touch the gas side it’s fine. So now they are giving me gas cookers with faults such as grill not igniting and knobs broken.

I’m not trying to get out of these jobs, I just want to know the proper regulations. I can see their logic that I should be able to fit doors, handles, knobs etc. but If I shouldn’t touch them I certainly won’t . How sure are you Martin. They were told that it used to be as you say, but it’s changed.

[Phidom]

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You can install or repair a gas appliance for yourself as long as you get a Corgi engineer to do the gas bits. As for paying customers you should not entertain any requests to repair gas tumble driers, dual fuel cookers etc.

[kwatt]

I posted the answer to this the other day Andy.

You can do any job on a gas appliance that does not involve disturbing the gas suply or any gas components. Fine, but how do you know if you have to drag it out or not until you actually get there and therefore disconnect? Do you know what models of gas hob require that the gas rail be lifted just to replace an ignitor candel and yes, there are some out there sold by MFI?

I like clear rules on such things and prefer to avoid these grey areas so for me I make it simple, if it’s gas it’s CORGI only as I do not have the time to waste, or indeed money to burn, running back and forth with different engineers.

K.

[superfix]

Re: Can anyone repair Gas appliances as long as they don’t..

As I said on a previous thread,there are non CCN1/CKR1 engineers work for us B/S/H that fit electrodes,spark generators etc to our gas hobs and dual fuel ranges.

As long as you don’t break in to gas system then you are o.k.

Don’t think BSH-MAN is CCN1/CKR1 and I’m sure that he will work on gas hobs etc.

HTH

[Dave_Conway]

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boro wrote:As long as you don’t break in to gas system then you are o.k.

Correct, the only problem is when you do multi-brand is it’s not always clear what does and what does not require disconnection on any given appliance until you arrive 😕

I’m the only CCN1/CKR1 engineer in my company but I’ve sent engineers on numerous occasions to fit electrodes etc only to find that the whole damn hob has to be removed to fit it…….:(

The simple rule is, if it breaks a sealed or threaded gas tight connection, Corgi engineer required, but any engineer or anyone at all in fact can disconnect a bayonet fitting quite legally.

Dave.

[mbdas]

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Morning
my x boss once asked DASA which we were members of what the position was on this and so he said as long as you DO NOT break the gas circuit you can work on them but DO NOT disconnect the bayonet fitting,
I also remember getting calls from GIAS to work on them stupid candy trio things and we were not corgi reg. 😕
so trying to work on one without disconnecting from the suppy was very difficult

Mark

[andy_art_trigg]

Re: Can anyone repair Gas appliances as long as they don’t..

Thanks guys. That does clarify it for me.

[admin]

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Also a couple of years ago the HSE issued a small one page document confirming that cosmetic work of a non functional nature could be carried out by non qualified technicians.

However, pose the question to yourself, are you happy doing this and what if something was dangeroulsy wrong with the gas circuit would you know what action to take.

[Jackal]

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Some years ago we fitted a spark generator box onto a gas hob for Candy. We did not break or get into the gas supply at all as all the work could be undertaken by removing the electric cooker underneath.

A few weeks later we did the same thing in Oxford.

We were taken to task on one of our inspections by the CORGI inspector covering Oxford as he said we should not be working on any gas appliance irrespective of the repair. However when we spoke to our inspector in Liverpool he said as long as we did not break into the gas supply or bits we were fine.

Two different answers from the same regulatory body. Shortly afterwards, my boss pulled the plug on gas work as we could work under these circumstances and needed to protect our employees.

Its one of those difficult areas. Imagine this scenario. If your customer accidentally smashes the outer door glass of her gas cooker, are we seriously saying we need a CORGI registered engineer to fit a replacement?

Jackal

[NWAR]

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Jackal wrote:Imagine this scenario. If your customer accidentally smashes the outer door glass of her gas cooker, are we seriously saying we need a CORGI registered engineer to fit a replacement?

That would seem to be the direction CORGI want to go in.

It won’t be long now before you need to pay them fees just to pass wind 🙄

I have no hesitation in telling customers that they can expect to be charged extra for the privilege of having a gas appliance as it costs us a small fortune for the privilege of working on them.

Craig

[Martin]

Re: Can anyone repair Gas appliances as long as they don’t..

“But Your Lordship or may I call you Judge?”……..

….. we only replaced the door glass on the ladies gas oven and whilst I realise we’re not a CORGI registered company, someone told us it would be OK to fix it anyway

😕
….surely we’re not liable are we?????

🙄

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