DASA meeting

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Its been highlighted to me tonight that Mark reckons that Dasa did the work regarding MFI and claims the credit for that is, Dasa’s.

I would like to point out that at the meeting today(Dasa), was the company that sued me for my efforts in regards MFI, and Mark made no mention of that. DISGUSTING!

Dasa, as you are aware, contributed nothing, Ken and I did most of the work involved with no contribution from Dasa and little from you or Mark, so why are Dasa lying?
Its also true that although Jason and Mark received the initial enquiry it was 3 of us who had the meetings not Dasa, and once evident that NESN were suing me the other two hid behind the DASA banner for fear of being sued…..CRAP. Well your support today was minimal to say the least and your credibility shot.

Jason, you are a hippocrite for not standing up for truth today. After the support I have given you for 12 months you have sold me down the river today, Carol Madden assured everyone that what happened, before her, would not happen again, she promised….and not one of you asked when those clauses would be removed from their contract. You could have told the truth today, you can’t sit on both sides of the fence and suck up to both sides…..

You can’t see the wood for the trees.

Kevin

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And Jason you should know by nw that Kev is a typical Yorkshireman, if he thinks you’re a twat he’ll tell you that… straight! 😆

He tells me that all the time but I just ignore it or fire one back. 😉

I do think the old duffer has a point though in many ways, whilst neither I or he will shoot DASA down with that premise that they purport you’d better watch as we’re not the only ones that knows what went on. And we know that Kev got sued over the MFI thing, not the letter as there was fuck all JT could do about that in reality, he needed the MFI thing to make it stick as that was a technical breach of the contract. A contract which I will add, is still in force to this very day and the threat was levelled at NESN members in a recent network email I have a copy of, although veiled, it is still a threat.

You’ll note they didn’t try to get me on it? That’s because they breached the contract in the way I was dismissed and as such I was untouchable and I knew it.

What you may not know is that the gagging order was left in place AFTER Carol Madden took control of NESN and she would not recind it! A leopard doesn’t change its spots they say.

In essence it is my feeling that DASA should have either footed the bill for Kevin or at the very least made a substantial contribution towrds it as it was carrying out work on behalf of DASA that got him in the shit. And although I have never said anything about it, it’s just another classic example of DASA not backing up it’s members and being a spineless wimp of an organisation IMO. I also will probably never say anything about it, there’s no point as what’s done is done.

But do me a favour please and learn from it, understand why Kevin was pissed off by it and don’t repeat the error.

And with that in mind that’s what Kev is on about, the fact remains that due to the NESN contract, that it CAN happen again, who’s it to be the next time, you? All they need to do is take the hump over something you do and, bingo, you’re in the shite.

And that’s the point!

It was both my and Kevin’s hope that the whole debacle would have prevented someone else getting into hot water, but it hasn’t changed the map that much although they’d think fucking long and hard before doing it again to that level.

That’s why we’ve said bugger all about it, as well as to protect Kevin from any further legal action by NESN. AS, if I’d had my way, at the time I would have blown the whole thing wide open.

K.

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Ken,

Can I thank you for giving the full story as I along with the vast amount of members of both UKW and for that matter DASA. Were always under the impression that Kev was sued only for personal comments made on UKW site regarding N.E.S.N.

Kev was given the mission of Network Dasa and fair play to the lad he brought home the bacon with the best deal in the land as regards corporate work in this trade.

I have said many times before the M.F.I. work came at a very critical time for my own business. Can you imagine how guilty I now feel when I hear that I benifited from much needed work that was deliverd to my door. when one of the key person’s responsible was not only unable to avail himself of the work but sued for his efforts on behalf of his DASA bretheren.

The Whole of DASA should have supported Kev if these are the full facts.
If there was no legal obligation to do so then there was, at the very least a moral one.

There should also have been representations made to Carrol Madern by DASA officers with the full fact’s when she took over as M.D. of N.E.S.N. as she may have been given a jaundiced view of the account of what went on, by people who managed to hang on to their job’s after Trubshaw was booted out, who may also be hiding their own guilt. We should also have made an offer of financial help

Kev for a long time I could’nt understand why you were so critical towards DASA, now I understand. With your permission I would like to bring this matter to as many DASA members as possible and present these matters to council for their attention and response.

As like me, they have been kept in the dark over this matter they should be given the chance to make amends for any injustice you have suffered on their behalf.

Sean

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Therein lies the rub Sean, you can’t tell anyone due to NESN’s gagging order. In effect Kevin is silenced from talking about the matter under the terms of the court order so we can’t go blabbing it as there’s only one place that it could have come from.

There has been no comments made on UKW that have led to anyone being sued and I hope there never will be.

I agree with Kevin, it’s best left for now under wraps and let’s all just move on but not forget the lessons that have been learned.

What we did learn later, between Kev and I was who the person was that leaked the letter to NESN that instigated the action and, thanks to a little digging by Dave, we had it confirmed 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}. We know who the rat is.

That whole NESN saga actually taught us a hell of a lot on who to and not to trust so it wasn’t all bad in the end. And now, when we see some of the comments and antics that some of them get up to it really does make us laugh at times.

But as I said, let’s just move on as there’s little point in dwelling on past events and how it might have turned out and I am pissed off that we can’t tell the tale to all but heh, that’s life, you don’t always get what you want.

But Kev, I’ll still be having the 3.0. 😆

K.

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Cheers Ken, sorry Del can’t let you do what you ask.

CM said the problem goes away only if I don’t blab, there is no other course of action as far Bridie and I are concerned. I have agreed not publicise it and have also warned that I will keep all the written falsehoods by Nesn, for a rainy day. If she steps out of line the deals off.

Kevin

PS..with usual NESN tact they could not talk to me, so this was all through JF who was and always has been their mouth piece.

So thanks Del and no thanks.

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kheath wrote:PS..with usual NESN tact they could not talk to me, so this was all through JF who was and always has been their mouth piece.

Which should also explain why we’re still very standoffish and really don’t want anything to do with NESN as, even with the new CEO, they have still persisted in the same course of action regarding one of the very matters that cost them so dearly in the past.

So irrespective of the happy, want to help, friendly face of the reborn NESN it’s really just business as usual whilst the contract remains in force as it is and they don’t own up to being a shower of utter bastards. And, like I said, how long will it be before someone else falls foul of them and they decide to persecute them or force their will upon them?

Which is why Kevin (and I) struggle to understand why DASA allows NESN to pontificate being brilliant to the membership as it is a total falsehood to present NESN as being a good business partner. Were it me I would not allow that to continue or give them the lattitude that has thus far been forthcoming as, frankly, they have fucked over as many DASA members and still owe quite a few a fair bit of money, but that seems not to have been taken into account. If they right the wrongs then fine, but they haven’t.

The official reason for the contract clauses still being in place is that it would allow the repairers to move on and leave the network freely without any problems. Well, if that’s true then surely that is simply ruling by fear with a smiley face on isn’t it? It is still a form of control regardless of how you want to slice it. And if it is untrue and there is an alterior motive then we’re back at square one and the dark days of JT in control.

It really doesn’t matter how you look at it from any angle the thing stinks.

However, I’ll get them in the end. Mark my words, I don’t forget it when my friends get royally screwed and this isn’t over yet, I just have to find a way that leaves Kevin in the clear and, I will.

K.

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And in a mail I got this morning…

Carol Madden wrote:Given the current state of affairs both the board and myself have taken steps to protect NESN and the network by very quickly re-allocating the postcodes of Beaver to existing members of the network and new members as appropriate. No doubt there will be a concerted effort to discredit what we have done with many comments about “stitch ups” from certain sources. I can’t stop what people say without resorting to the law, which I will keep as an option if really pushed, but I want to let you all know how we have gone about the re-allocation and the principles used:

1 NESN has the right to allocate postcodes where it believes it is in its commercial and operational interest.

2 Adjacent members are considered first with all other members having the opportunity to apply thereafter.

3 Risk assessment is undertaken both operationally and commercially, before any decisions are taken

4 The opportunity is taken to address anomalies in previous allocations

5 Fairness is crucial

6 Openness and transparency of the decisions

7 An orderly handover of work is planned given the results of the risk assessment

However veiled it may be it is still a threat and it is a very real threat. Basically what’s she’s saying here is that if she’s backed into a corner she’ll use that as the trump card to get herself out the shit.

Although on reading through the email it would hardly seem that they applied these high morality values in Kevin’s case would it?

K.

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