dishwasher buying advice

[Stephen99]

Hello,

What are the recommendations for dishwashers at the moment? Is it still Bosch and Miele?

Looking at the Bosch web site, they say that Classixx are the basic models, Exxcel is their mid-range, and Loigixx are their top of the range. Is there a lot of difference between these models? Are the Logixx really that much better than the Exxcels? Is the Logixx the one to go for? Why?

I’m not sure how they award the A+ and A++ energy classifcations because looking at the specs, there doesn’t seem to be much between them. Is it based on electricity used, water, or both?

Thanks.

[don]

Re: dishwasher buying advice

Hi

Indeed Bosch and Miele are still the best.

On the Bosch website you can compare models via the tick boxes which will give you the low down on water, electricity, noise levels, functions and features amongst other things.

From that you can then come up with a short list for pricing.

HTH 🙂

Don

[DrDill]

Re: dishwasher buying advice

The cheeper Bosch have polynox interiors, so I would go excel as a minimum

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[Stephen99]

Re: dishwasher buying advice

DrDill wrote:The cheeper Bosch have polynox interiors, so I would go excel as a minimum

Thanks. That’s an intersting point: the web sites only show the exterior, not the inside. What is so bad about the polynox?

There only appears to be one Logixx freestanding, full size, dishasher on the Bosch web site and I think three Exxcels. The exxcels seem to cost as much as the Logixx, and I am puzzled why this is. Shouldn’t the Logixx cost more if it is better? Or is it that they are the same inside and the Logixx is just prettier outside?

[DrDill]

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I understand the difficulty here in deciding which to buy, my choice would be this: SMS53A12GB, its in the winning line series, full stainless steel interior and can use as little as 6 litres of water, heres a link:

http://www.kitchenkitsw.com/shopitemdet … uctID=5647

[Stephen99]

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I understand the difficulty here in deciding which to buy, my choice would be this: SMS53A12GB, its in the winning line series, full stainless steel interior and can use as little as 6 litres of water, heres a link/quote]

Hi, I am confused by the number of Bosch models out there. The Bosch web site says Logixx are the best, Exxcel are mid range, and Classixx are the most basic but then there are models, like the one you have mentioned that are neither Logixx nor Classix; where do they fit in?

I have seen this model, or one very similar, in a shop and it had the small, third, drawer at the top for cutlrey. Yet the Bosch web site says only Logixx have the third drawer. I don’t think the Bosch web site is a complete list of all their models. Are Bosch in the middle of releasing new models? Is it that the web site shows 2012-13 models and the shops are selling 2011-12?

This model seems to have the Logixx top drawer but the front of an Exxcel. Is it halfway between the two?

Looking at the Exxcels it seems the Exxcel has a lower energy and water cnsumption than the Logixx, so I may go for the Exxcel. I don’t really need the fancy, hidden buttons of the Logixx.

[Allsorts]

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I would go for the eco-friendly ISE D243W Dishwasher which is AAA performance rated and can utilise a renewable source of hot water which can cut the running costs on the dishwasher by up to 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} on a normal program and reduce the program time taken by as much as 20 minutes.

[Stephen99]

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Allsorts wrote:I would go for the eco-friendly ISE D243W Dishwasher which is AAA performance rated and can utilise a renewable source of hot water which can cut the running costs on the dishwasher by up to 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} on a normal program and reduce the program time taken by as much as 20 minutes.

It has a 10 year guarantee which sounds amazing but the price is 899.99. Ouch! I haven’t heard of ISE before. Are they as good as they say they are?

[DrDill]

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The ISE dishwasher is a fantastic machine, i sell them too but didnt mention it as i assumed you were looking midrange cost. I think your best bet is to visit your nearest independant Bosch dealer and discuss the models with him

[Stephen99]

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DrDill wrote:The ISE dishwasher is a fantastic machine, i sell them too but didnt mention it as i assumed you were looking midrange cost. I think your best bet is to visit your nearest independant Bosch dealer and discuss the models with him

You are right, I am looking at the Bosch price range but I had never heard of ISE before, so wanted to ask what they were. I always thought Miele were the best and had not heard of ISE. Are they are good as Miele or better?

[Stephen99]

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Allsorts wrote:can utilise a renewable source of hot water which can cut the running costs on the dishwasher by up to 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}

How interesting. There wa a time when manufacturers said that machines used so little water, there was no benefit to having a hot fill. I’ve noticed the Bosch machines also say they can be filled up to 60C. How does this work? Are there separate hot and cold connections? Doesn’t the machine need some cold water?

[DrDill]

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Well to explain the answer would take a few pages, but in short hot fill is good if you have cheep hot water available ,ie ground source etc. It will save energy. The reason you have cold fill is that hot water is normally above some of the temputures on some programmes, so the machine will heat it it self but if you have free hot water there is no advantage selecting a 45 wash,.
ISE machines have no rivals when it is based on cost, performance and warranty, even miele cant match these criteria now, unless you add the £149 cost of extending the warranty to 10 years, all ISE ‘s have a 10 year warranty!

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[Murphster]

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Hi
just a quick input.
Most dishwashers work off a cold water connection and heat the water and there is a good reason for this. Most dishwasher powders, if not all of them are Biological and contain Enzymes. These are important in removing various soiling from the load i.e fats,proteins and carbohydrates, all of which you will find in food based soiling. However they only work between approx. 20- 40 degrees, so if you have a hot fill and it is over 40 degrees they become ‘de-natured’ – they don’t work. result is poor washes.
I ran our Miele ( 20 years old ) off a hot connection due to plumbing issues after we moved house, but recently changed it over to cold and hey presto vastly improved wash results ( as it used to be). So hot = cheaper to run, but not so gleaming results.

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