Dishwashers – Siemens SN87YX01CE vs Miele G5260SCVi?

[Daniel Jones]

Hi all,

Our Beko DW686 recently gave up the ghost after ten years. We want to replace it with something that will last… It’s so disheartening that manufacturers make it so difficult to choose to buy something durable that’s not an eco-disaster.

After visiting a friendly local Euronics store, I think we’ve narrowed it down to either a Siemens SN87YX01CE or a Miele G5260SCVi. The chap in the store was quite certain that the Miele would be a “workhorse” and last a long time. The Siemens machine has pointless features I’m not interested in (wifi connectivity!), but is also a tiny bit quieter, and has a B energy-efficiency rating rather than the C of the Miele.

If I knew they would both last the same amount of time, I’d go for the Siemens on account of its quietness and efficiency. Any words of wisdom on how long either machine is really likely to last? I know may mileage may vary, and all that.

One other confusing factor is that the Miele can apparently take hot water in on a separate supply – our water heating system has a solar thermal component. It seems a bit daft to get free heated water from the sun, only to heat it electrically in the dishwasher.

Many thanks in advance.

[electrofix]

for my money has to be the Miele

the motor in the siemans is no where near as robust so the heaters are prone to failure

[USER=”125″]don[/USER]
would you go with this Don ?

Dave

[don]

electrofix wrote:for my money has to be the Miele

the motor in the siemans is no where near as robust so the heaters are prone to failure

Dave

Everytime as Dave rightly says the motor in the Miele are far more reliable.

Looking at the data sheet for both there is only 2db noise difference which makes no difference to the human ear. As you are able to connect to a hot fill it makes the Miele more efficient than the Siemens.

I would return to the friendly Euronics store and order it from the chap you saw. You also will have someone to go back to if you have any questions post purchase.

Don

[Daniel Jones]

Thanks for the prompt reply, folks! I’ll let you know how I get on.

I’ll do as you suggest Don, and go to the friendly local retailer. The chap took the time to talk to me, so it’d be a bit of mug-off to then order it from elsewhere.

[Daniel Jones]

Thanks again for your help folks.

I’m being told by a sales person that it’s “not recommended” to connect Mieles to a hot water supply, as it would only ever get used on the higher-intensity programmes. We’ve used our Beko exclusively on ‘eco’ mode for the last decade, and so would expect to do the same with the Miele.

Any ideas if what I’m being told is accurate?

[don]

Page 83 of the instruction manual states,

Connection to the water supply  Water in the dishwasher must not be used as drinking water. – The dishwasher may be connected to a cold or hot water supply, max. 60 °C. We would only recommend connection to a hot water supply if it is economical, e.g. a solar powered supply. When connected to a hot water supply all programme stages which would otherwise be carried out with cold water will be carried out with hot water. – The inlet hose is approx. 1.5 m long. A 1.5 m long flexible metal extension hose (pressure tested to 14000 kPa/140 bar) is available as an optional accessory, if required. – A stopcock with a 3/4″ male thread must be provided on site. – This appliance is constructed to comply with IEC/EN/DIN 61770 // VDE 0700 Section 600, and may be connected to a suitable supply without an extra non-return valve if national regulations permit. – The water pressure (flow pressure at the take-off point) must be between 50 and 1000 kPa (0.5 and 10 bar). If the water pressure is too high, a pressure reducer valve must be fitted.

Someone needs to read the manual 😉

Don

[Daniel Jones]

Ta! I ordered it, and will have it fitted on Tuesday. On the phone the friendly local store suggested that if the hot water connection is fitted, it will only ever draw from the hot pipe, and never heat water itself from the cold pipe. Their concern was that if the water only needs to be at a lower temperature (let’s imagine 30 degrees for the sake of the example) and the hot water supply is 60 degrees, then that’d be wasteful. However, they didn’t really listen to the bit where I was telling them about our solar thermal setup, which means our hot water is part-heated for free. So I think it’ll be fine!

I just hope after shelling out a grand on a dishwasher that it lasts a decent amount of time 🙂

[don]

Let us know aftrer a few weeks how it’s performing on the hot water side please. It may help others in the future.

Don

[Daniel Jones]

Will do! I just remembered that they had one other concern, and that was that having always hot water might be problematic for glasses. I’ll try to remember to let you know how we get on.

[andyjawa]

“Our Beko DW686 recently gave up the ghost after ten years. We want to replace it with something that will last… It’s so disheartening that manufacturers make it so difficult to choose to buy something durable that’s not an eco-disaster.”
Well, I agree with that but you do not say if your Beko lasted 10 trouble free years or not and you did not say what was the fault that is making you buy a new machine. It could be that the fault was simple, cheap and quick to repair, in other words you can get one hell of a lot of parts for the 1100 quid your Miele is going to cost so: I find it disheartening that the public throw away stuff at the slightest whim that = a bigger eco-disaster or exchanging one eco disaster for another eco disaster using free hot water or not!
The Bosch / Siemens / Neff dishwashers I would agree are no-where reliable enough for the money, the Miele on the other hand are very expensive to repair SHOULD it go wrong but then my crystal ball is just as useless as your crystal ball. Currently Miele charges for out of warranty repairs are £150 for the first hour, £100 for the hour after that and then a charge that is not stated at 6mins intervals after that…so I would be inclined to pray that a Miele never goes wrong then unless under a warranty of some kind! You have of course done your research well so you know all this anyway as you have also checked out the horrendous price of replacement spare parts too, so at least you have a rough idea, because your machine is so very recent there does not seem to be any parts listed as yet.
So what would I have done: 1) find out how much to repair it on a free callout first. 2) then either not bother repairing it or better still not bother replacing it and do without. 3) I would, if replacing it, shunned Miele, Bosch & Co, Hotpoint & Indesit ( dreadful dishwashers ), AEG and all Electrolux dishwasher stuff, ignored the foolhardy temptation of all Vestel dishwashers so that leaves a basic Beko, a basic Zenith ( which is a Beko ) or a more advanced Beko models of which I would have warmed to the former 2 rather than the latter or even a Currys essentials or a entry level Kenwood** which in my experience both were much less grief than a Bosch at near half the price and very easy to work on being Chinese designed, whereas Bosch & co dishwashers are designed by an alleged twisted sadist with a warped sense of humour. ** generally ok dishwashers but suffer from the sump fractionally warping hence a leak, where the O ring seal on the outlet pump due mainly not the warpage so much as the O ring seal being too thin to take up the warpage- use an Askoll pump`s O ring seal instead as it is thicker by 20{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}.

[Daniel Jones]

Ta for your thoughts!

I can’t quite remember what it was that eventually went on the Beko, but I remember the quote for repair was roughly equivalent to a new Beko. I don’t think it gave us too much grief over the years, it’s hard to remember as we had a few false alarms that turned out to be the drainage pipe getting blocked with crap that we really should’ve sorted out.

We tried the “not bothering replacing it” thing for a couple of months, and it really did start to get irritating after a while. My missus and I both work running businesses, so the time is quite valuable.

[andyjawa]

Understood. All the very best with the Miele and thanks for your reply both initial and concluding input.

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