First Post In An Undiscovered Country

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Sean you’re trying to defend the indefensible really. And, I maight add, doing a bloody good job at it.

Pity you’re the one it’s been left to isn’t it?

Do you not see what’s actually happening with DASA? Sod all whilst there is no-one there to lead it, that’s what. Yes they’re making little strides here and there, no-one’s arguing that they are not trying but quite simply they cannot devote the time to do the job right at the moment. I have said many, many times that I don’t blame any of them for that as putting food on the table is the first order of business and using the position to do that is fine by me, to an extent.

What does aggrieve me is where the work is carved up before it even gets out of the gate and that happens all to often with DASA. Simply because all that is handled at council, by the council. So the very people that pass out the work offer are the very people that want first dibs at it so there’s no fairness in the system.

Mark and jason are not doing what they do for the love of it, they’re doing it for what they can get from it. Mark will openly admit that he’s gotten what he wants from DASA, now he’s too busy to care about it most of the time. Do you really think that the others are any different bar the odd exception?

However to address your points…

The Rochford report as you and I both know, was a joke. That could have been easily done in many other ways and told us absolutely nothing that was not already known to all. IMO it was a waste of money.

The constitution and COP review were instigated at the AGM, I would lay good odds it won’t be done for this AGM.

I have already made my feelings on AMDEA very clear and to Mark directly as he did call me about it. I have also made the dangers in any formal association very clear as well.

Yes the AGM did go well for DASA, nobody ever said otherwise as it looked pretty well organised TBH.

Carole Madden would take any opportunity at all to make NESN look good, it’s hardly like she has a choice! 😆

But even with that, she still did fuck all about the gagging order on Kevin did she? So whilst I may tolerate her, I don’t trust her. With that in mind, she may well have apologised, but didn’t back that up with actions and, you’ll note, they still have not changed the contract and have, in fact, threatened to use the restrictions therin since the AGM.

How far have they got with their directory? The last I saw a week or so ago there was only really a few associate members anyway.

Orbit, ah yes… now, who did that I wonder? 😆

As to working closer with DASA, yes we can do that. There’s even some stuff that reall DASA should be doing but it has neither the infrastructure or the drive to see the job done, as has been proved time without number.

In short, it needs led by someone. That someone would have to control it and control the internal politics of it as well as all the other duties or it will simply spiral into an oblivion eventually.

IF they had any sense at all they’d be doing what I told them 12 months or more ago when CH was removed and nothing went forward. Hibernate it, sort it and THEN bring it back from the dead. But they’re trying to mend the fences whilst the storm still rages and the trade is so volatile now that reaction time is critical to survival.

If you cast your mind back to the AGM you’ll remember that the pro-rata rates were mentioned, as was the renewal date as it was a hinderence to gaining new members. What’s been done about it? Correct, nothing.

Quite honestly I’m pig sick of this “us and them” crap from DASA, hence the post the other night as I want the air cleared. If they chose to go about things the way they have been and lag behind the rest of the trade then so be it, it’s their funeral and not mine.

And before you take any offence, it’s not meant that way at all, but this is historic DASA for you. You’ve only been in it a few years, I’ve seen this shite go on for the past 20 years and the removal of CH has made little difference as they just haven’t gotten off their arses to do anything about it and, when/if they do, it’s only to feed themselves work.

I had thought that the removal of CH, with the people that were there, i.e. Jason, Mark, Kevin, Phil and yourself would have seen a massive change to DASA. It didn’t other than cause even more confusion IMO.

We’ll have the meet, see what they have to say and take it from there. If it’s positive and they actually want to make a go of it then we’ll help, if it’s the same old bullshit then I’ll walk away and let them get on with it.

But please understand that DASA seem to think that they come at people from a position of power and that simply is not the case at all. The only power that they have is in some that many listen too, most of them within DASA circles, go outside that and their sphere of influence grows smaller and smaller.

In the end I don’t want to kill it but you tell me why we should be so interested in propping it up?

K.

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Re: First Post In An Undiscovered Country

Dasda agm, will be October ish, we will be associate members from July 1st, Jason says membership runs from then.

Whats the point of modern communications if you can’t change/debate/decide anything without going to the enormous expense of evryone having time off to attend a meeting?

Sean, Dasa needs shaking and turning upside down. It needs a leader to lead and it has to be his JOB, he has to have passion and determination to suceed, he has to get rid of present failures and re install a committed team around him.
But most of all, Dasa needs to present itself to the trade it pretends to represent, in a form that inspires people/individuals/business’s to want to be a part of the whole, until it pulls the chain and flushes away the shite, it will be a downward spiral.

Kevin

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By that time Sean will be up to speed with most of the stuff that’s going off this year and that should kinda change the perspective a little. As in we’ve gotten off our asses and actually done something.

In the end the DASA bods can bury their heads in the sand over it, or make from it. It’s up to tem, but if they choose to ignore what we bring then on their own heads be it, the rest of the trade won’t.

And the first step of that is on my desk as of yesterday morning as I have the report from SGS. The next meeting is on the 25th of this month, with more to follow before the DASA council meeting.

I’m quietly confident. 😉

K.

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