GAS appliance training information wanted

[RHrepairs]

Im sure it has been discussed many a times on this forum, but to enlighten me could someone please provide me with information on where the required training could be provided on all gas cookers etc. As a whitegoods engineer I have no plumbing qualifications so hence have no experience in gas but as what seem the way forward for many customers they all seem to buy gas cookers of late and there is a growing demand on servicing these appliances. So if ye could provide me with the neccessary information it would be appreciated and since i am in the republic of ireland, any training centres in the north would be handy because you have to be a certified plumber here to become a registered gas engineer,
Thanks

[ELDAR59]

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The WTA are on with something with regards to gas training.
It was talked about at the last meeting. Are you in the WTA?

[Martin]

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Is gas training in Ireland the same as here in the UK?

[RHrepairs]

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not part of the wta. awaiting application. gas training in ireland entails being a qualified plumber which you need to do 4years to become and then you do the gas courses.

[Martin]

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Richardhayes55 wrote:gas training in ireland entails being a qualified plumber which you need to do 4years to become and then you do the gas courses.

So you are planning 4 years in advance of having first succesfully completed the plumbing course then? In that case I’d get that plumbing qualification and take up plumbing full time as that is a much more rewarding and ditch the appliance business. 💡

[RHrepairs]

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no im pointing out thats what is involved hete. no interest iin plumbing, want the gas training for servicing gas cookers. so surely theres training designed for this purpose without being a plumber

[Martin]

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Richardhayes55 wrote: so surely theres training designed for this purpose without being a plumber

But if it is not allowed in Ireland unless you are a qualified plumber what point is there in you seeking training? Working on gas appliances will be deemed illegal wouldn’t it?

By the way, have you looked at the site below?

http://www.chevrontraining.ie/gasinstallercourses/

[kwatt]

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Not quite Martin and it’s going that way here too, if it gets allowed to be that way.

But if you go sit your gas exam, in whatever flavour, in Poland, Spain, France or any other EU country that ticket is valid in any other EU country… allegedly. Irrespective of how good or bad it is it would seem as it a appears that Gas Safe more or less just rubber stamp it.

So theoretically, you can have barely qualified people, in UK or other terms, being allowed to work on gas quite the thing without the same rigorous regime enforced.

I order to get around the almost fascist gas safety regime you could, in theory, go to another country and sit a much easier exam that would be valid in the country where you wanted to work, by-passing much of the red tape.

I am quite sure you will find much the same sort of thing going on across much or the EU.

Of course none of this is confirmed or cast in stone but, there’s a hunk of stuff that points toward it being correct.

K.

[Martin]

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I will email Gas Safe and RGII (Irish equivalent) and ask the question. 😉

[RHrepairs]

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Martin wrote:

Richardhayes55 wrote:
so surely theres training designed for this purpose without being a plumber

But if it is not allowed in Ireland unless you are a qualified plumber what point is there in you seeking training? Working on gas appliances will be deemed illegal wouldn’t it?

By the way, have you looked at the site below?

http://www.chevrontraining.ie/gasinstallercourses/

because plumbers have little to no interest in servicing gas cookers and where the domestic appliance man steps in to fix these cookers but because he isnt a plumber is isnt able to do gas training so ye cant fix the cooker. i wouldnt work on a gas cooker unless im qualified! kwatt hit the nail on the head, if it was possible for me to go to another country to get the cert and the cert is legit here too it will enable me to service gas cookers. my whole point is there should be training made available to domestic appliance engineers in servicing gas cookers so they are only qualified in servicing gas cookers and not anything else gas related

[Martin]

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I’ll get back to you on that theory once I hear back from RGII and Gas Safe. I’m not so sure a UK cert will be recognise in your country. 🙁

[lee8]

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In Spain their gas engineers had no gas training, qualification and nobody was interested in seeing my certs, in fact they never really asked for a CV either. :rotfl:

The gas engineer was basically the person they employed that month to fix appliances, he was a gas engineer because he had a gas call. :rolls:

They use the lighter method, if a joint produces a flame, its leaking. :clown:

Might explain the many explosions.

Although I was watching recently American Restoration and service repair guy was called in to test the gas rail and taps on an old range cooker, at his feet was a 5kg propane bottle, connected up to the rail, the burners where lit and he was using a naked flame whilst explaining to the owner that a leak would produce a flame at the leak point. 😆

Maybe its us Brits being to cautious, having people properly qualified in the role they work in and then being regulated to carry out at least a reasonably safe repair. :boops:

[Martin]

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lee8 wrote:In Spain their gas engineers had no gas training………..They use the lighter method, if a joint produces a flame, its leaking. :clown:

We believe you Lee, thousands wouldn’t I suspect. 😉

There’s only around 5 cities in Spain that have a piped natural gas supply. Elsewhere and almost the entire country has only bottled gas. From what I can determine only rental properties are obliged to have their appliances checked every 5 years or so by the company that supplies the bottles.

I’m still awaiting a reply from Gas Safe and RGII by the way. Meanwhile don’t hold your breath, unless that is you smell gas?

[Martin]

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Ah! I spoke too soon as I’ve just received an email……

RGII wrote:Good afternoon Martin

Yes you would need to be registered with the RGII if you are to carry out gas works in the Republic of Ireland.

Kind regards,
Samantha Somers
Registration Administrator
Register of Gas Installers of Ireland
Unit 9 KCR Industrial Estate
Ravensdale Park
Kimmage
Dublin 12
Tel: 01 4999838 Fax: 01 4929983 Email:info@rgii.ie or samantha@rgii.ie

kwatt wrote:Of course none of this is confirmed or cast in stone but, there’s a hunk of stuff that points toward it being correct.

Not so it seems. 😉

Edit: Further email clarification from Ireland………

RGII wrote:Hello Martin

Provided you have a trade certificate in Gas Fitting, Plumbing, Refrigeration or Electrician and ACS Core and Four i.e. CCN 1 and four appliances. You may then do a “mutual agreement assessment” on the Irish Standards for gas installations I.S.813 and 820 see http://www.standards.ie and then apply to The Register of Gas Installers of Ireland (RGII) for registration as a Registered Gas Installer (RGI)see http://www.rgii.ie this is a short written assessment, multiple choice, open book and cost £50 (euro equivalent)

You can undertake this assessment with Karl (cc in this email) Your ACS must be current and you must have core and four i.e CCN1 and four appliances and a trade certificate in any of the four trades specified

The attached technical bulletin is a little dated and refers to Corgi as apposed to Gassafe however the sentiments are the same

Who’s your Certification Body? They may be able to assist you

It is a criminal offence to carry out “Gas Work” in Ireland unless registered with The Register of Gas Installers of Ireland (RGII)

If you need any more information contact me
Kind regards

William Wilson
Inspections Manager
Register of Gas Installers of Ireland
Phone: + 3531 4999836 Fax: +353 1 4929983
email william@rgii.ie

[lee8]

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Martin wrote:

lee8 wrote:

There’s only around 5 cities in Spain that have a piped natural gas supply. Elsewhere and almost the entire country has only bottled gas. From what I can determine only rental properties are obliged to have their appliances checked every 5 years or so by the company that supplies the bottles.

Its a bit more than that, I’ve spent time with family and friends in Bilbao, Zaragoza, Madrid, Barcelona, Girona, Santander, Burgos, Victoria, Pamplona all have Natural gas. Several family members living in small rural villages in some of the above provinces also have NG.

You just need to do a quick google of the top three gas companies within Spain to realise your figures are slightly out. 😆

The south is a big user of bottled gas, our apt uses bottled gas at around 14 euros for a 15kg bottle, annoying having to drive to the petrol station to buy. It is piped around the kitchen from the bottles much the same as UK but without test points for pressure testing and leaks occur to pipes, ovens and hobs etc. Superser had a range style cooker, looked like twin ovens but one side was a storage cabinet for the gas bottle next to the oven.

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