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Re: General Dyson question…
Good reminder on this thread as it’s a subject I revisited recently as I started to go back over the whole bag/baggless thing.
I got hacked off with the cheap bags being punted about on Ebay and a lot of sites so I tried to explain it in this article so people could understand why cheap cleaner bags are often a waste of time. Use rubbish bags and filters and yes, you will lose performance without a doubt. It’s like using the wrong oil or fuel in a car, it reduces performance.
What came to light during writing this article again for me, when I dug into the past, is that the idea of a Dyson cleaner was punted to most of the major manufacturers who rejected on the grounds that they didn’t really work all that well. See, it’s all about filtration with a vac, it has to keep the dust and dirt inside it while filtering out all that and allowing the clean air to get out.
In a bagless cleaner you rely on a filter, perhaps two but one will be fine and the other course normally, and a vortex of air which takes time to form so as to be effective, it isn’t instant.
When you talk to any of the real dust bunnies in the industry you won’t find one that recommends a bagless cleaner or washable filters.
When you look at the commercial arena, you won’t find a bagless cleaner.
When you look at any area where cleanliness is paramount, you won’t find a bagless cleaner.
In either, you won’t find washable or reusable filters as you can’t get them clean enough and all the microscopic particles out.
You have to wonder why but, what do we know. 😉
K.
Re: General Dyson question…
That’s an interesting post Kwatt – Ta!
Not trying to flame or be controversial but me thinks the makers of other Vacs are being a little hypocritical & would say that about Dyson wouldn’t they? Otherwise, why bend over backwards to copy Dyson’s design i.e. producing other so-called bagless models & in some cases infringe patent copyright……the case of Dyson v Hoover springs to mind, if the bagless cleaners are no good so to speak?
I would say IMO that I prefer a bagless to a bag. Henry’s Bag used to pong after a couple of days of picking up dog hair despite using Neutradol freshener in the bag & I “lost” suction as the bag filled. Although it is early days, I don’t get that with our Dyson DC024. – I can just go the bin, push a button, hey presto canister empties into bin direct – Job done.
My sister has a SEBO which I bought her from Argos a few months ago & whilst it is a good machine, it is just a bit to big for my rather small bungalow, other I would have gone for the SEBO. I needed something that would “shrink” to fit in small cupby hole of a hall. (trust me if you saw the size of my shoebox bungalow you would appreciate where I am coming from.) 😕
WQRe: General Dyson question…
Hi WQ,
About 20 years since Dyson started with bagless cleaners which, allegedly wasn’t a new idea but seeing the dirt spinning around was and yet, 20 odd years later, there isn’t a school, lab or commercial cleaning company I know of that use bagless cleaners.
The most commonly cited reason for this is poor performance.
You’ll also note that none of the top performing and quality manufacturers produce a bagelss cleaner. Again, poor performance is the main reason given and that the performance tails off quite dramatically over time so I am told.
To me it’s like all these sorts of ideas like detergent free washing machines and dishwashers as well as a raft of others, nice ideas… if you can make them work well enough. And, there’s always someone that will market the miracle cure whether it works or not.
HTH
K.
Re: General Dyson question…
My experience with Dyson cleaners is as follows:
DC01 – poor suction; filters clogged very readily; filters reasonably cheap to replace.
DC03 – poor suction; filters clogged readily; filters expensive to replace.
DC04 – filters washable, quite good performance, though particles of grit noticable in filters.
DC05 – reasonable performance, though long hair repeatedly made its way through the cyclones to the filters.
DC07 – excellent performance initially; serious design flaw that allows the smaller cyclones to become clogged.
DC11 – mediocre performance, best suited to bare floors; turbobrush too slow for fitted carpets.
DC14 – reasonable performance.
DC15 – very bulky, prevents side-on edge cleaning against kitchen cabinets.I should also point out that Dysons must never be used for picking up large quantities of powder like plaster dust or chimney soot. The cyclones will be overloaded and the filters will become clogged. (Been there, done that with DC01, DC03, and DC11).
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