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Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
iadom wrote:I would say on average that there is a report of a fire caused by a domestic appliance at least once a month in the Oldham Chronicle, mainly tumble dryers.
I monitor this for anything interesting Jim.
On balance I would stab at two a week reported nationally, roughly but I’ve never bothered to measure it.
The reason is that, without exception, there is the whole “Blaze rips home apart” or “Appliance Fire Threatens Lives” type headline followed by, well, BS for the most part.
Almost without exception, there is never any follow up with the actual cause.
Almost without exception, no brand is named.
Almost without exception, the standard Fire Service guidelines are trotted out, the “clean filters”, “Don’t leave appliances running unattended”, Fit smoke alarms and, make sure they work” type advice and so on. This is all good, fine and dandy but utterly predictable.
In short it’s often just scaremongering really, by the media that is.
The Fire Service just have to try to do the best they can and offer the best advice possible.
What causes these fires, who the hell knows!
You see the incidents reported, the headline and so on but unless it’s a slam dunk the press will err on the side of caution and keep company names out of it, probably for fear or legal retribution if they screw up the reporting. For example, if it turns out like the example I gave a well as Tim, it’s down to the owner, it’s their own stupid fault.
If it’s down to substandard electrics in the home, again, not the maker’s fault. Same with supply voltage and current and, so on and, so on.
There’s any number of reasons that could lie behind an “appliance fire” is what I’m saying and without all the information and data it simply isn’t possible, perhaps even irresponsible, to jump to conclusions.
That is often where manufacturers (ISE hat on) rely on the engineer to give reliable and correct information to be able to take a view on stuff like this.
All the manufacturers need reliable information to act on, in virtually all cases from a fire to a blocked pump so that they may defend not only themselves but the engineers as well. But that is a bit off tangent.
Thankfully from my own experience, the last ones I saw that were a “problem” were the old Candy washer dryers that had a TOC retro fitted to prevent possible fire. Since then, (dear God I’m showing my age) nearly twenty years ago, I’ve not seen another that was directly attributable, as in a 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} slam dunk, to a design issue.
The trouble in the modern age appears to be that manufacturers are tried, sentenced and executed in the Court Of Popular Opinion or, trial by media.
Facts? What are they then and, why do they matter?
K.
Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
kwatt wrote:You see the incidents reported, the headline and so on but unless it’s a slam dunk the press will err on the side of caution and keep company names out of it, probably for fear or legal retribution if they screw up the reporting……………………………………”
“…………………….. I’ve not seen another that was directly attributable, as in a 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} slam dunk, to a design issue.
What’s a slam dunk?
Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
An excellent question and, one that as is the case with most, that Google has an answer to.
K.
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kwatt wrote:An excellent question and, one that as is the case with most, that Google has an answer to.
Hence why I was forced to come back and ask because Google says it’s ‘..a sports themed Manga’ so I’m puzzled on not only what one of them is but what it has to do with appliance fires?
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You didn’t look very hard, there’s thousands of results including video….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slam_dunk
K.
Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
Just want to back up everything Stratford girl said about RCD’s.
If you are only introducing an extra load in to the circuit, and not creating an out of balance current, they will not trip.Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
Her indoors managed to defeat our ground floor 32a breaker the other day with her profligacy 😯
washer and dryer, all going full steam in utility room,dishwasher,900w microwave and possibly f/freezer running in kitchen.
Then in the living room, she sparks up the cylinder vac with a 1800w start up rating just cos I’m trying to watch some saturday afternoon sport on the telly (plasma with average 180w) 😀Local sub station tends to send us a fairly constant 229 v so I guess that leaves little more than 7kw to play with per ring before the breaker gets toasty.
Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
I did a fire report funny enough yesterday, clients complained of a fire, huge fuss made.
I visit, find a Tumble dryer that looked not of its years, not looked after at all, belt snapped, due to overloading, of which the items that had ignited had not burn’t enough to destroy the label, of the items in the drum the ones fire damaged all had labels stating they could not be used within a tumble dryer.
Go figure, clients a d88head, has no concept of how to look after her home, her property and every “Issue” is someone else’s fault. Its not her responsibility to sort the laundry, its not her fault the appliance fails when used outside of its tolerance.
See brands can take some responsibility, but ultimately the education of a modern sub species of neolithic human does not lie within there design remits.
Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I had assumed this story related to the older FDW dishwashers with door mounted pcbs (as shown in Martin’s photo above), but it seems it relates to the new platform dishwashers with pcbs in the base.
I have just received a recall letter from Hotpoint as I bought an interface pcb for a FDL570G.R dishawasher back in February 2012 and they assumed I was the dishwasher owner.
Does anyone know which models and serial numbers are affected by the latest (July 2014) recall. Also, does anyone know if it is a pcb issue or is it damage to the badly protected wiring harness in the door that is causing the fires?
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