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Re: Hotpoint dishwashers fires
It must be another no news day today then? Murray’s out, England flopped, the Scots are revolting against Salmon (or that may be Salmond :clown: )
And there are still 330,000 Dishwashers out there somewhere each one about to spontaneously combust….!
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Is it the heater relay on the board causing the issue does anyone know ?
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Madmac wrote:Is it the heater relay on the board causing the issue does anyone know ?
Hard to tell from this typical view……..
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whatever caused this , the words
cheap , mass produced , rubbish , spring to mind
human life , health and safety wouldn’t have been discussed at the production meetings .
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The inadequacy of the modern domestic appliance PCB manifests itself across all popular brands these days. Beko, Bosch, Hotpoint, and Zanussi all of whom have current running issues. Their slow response toward issuing recall notices is understandable, not the least of which, the cost, is their major concern. And until there’s a major, life threatening incident attributed directly to the PCB failure then nothing is done about it.
In this latest case only 18 ‘incidents’ have been reported out of best part of half a million appliances sold. Why is that? Trying to figure that out is impossible to fathom. My own RCD/MCB consumer unit trips out at the slightest provocation. I would like to think that circuit boards burning up as badly as in some of the photos I have seen, it would cut the power long before fire took hold.
The latest incident involving a Hotpoint dishwasher in Oxford (on the news yesterday) an “investigation is continuing” though the unfortunate victim stated he witnessed the source of the fire as being the dishwasher. That’s left me wondering that the state of the household electrical circuits and wiring may be part of the problem?
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British product testing and regulation limits all those risks to Human Life, health and safety and would have been discussed as there is no point producing something that wouldn’t reach market place, money is a driving factor and wasting it is a major no no.
They may be Chinese, Turkish, Polish etc etc but that does not make them stupid, in fact, they probably believe British people are stupid for allowing the economy to be so bad that we produce people so dumb as to buy them, think about it.
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lee8 wrote:think about it.
Rest assured, that we will call on you for a solution, if you can spare the time that is?
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Martin wrote:That’s left me wondering that the state of the household electrical circuits and wiring may be part of the problem?
As well as the supply. 😉
TBH you are right Martin, it’s a few over many thousands, that’s not a problem. It’s not even a blip.
Also correct that the home electrics should chop the power long before it’s dangerous. My RCD is the same, look at it the wrong way and it’ll pop.
I really don’t see PCBs as a problem, the odd one maybe and back in the 80’s into the 90’s when they were a new fangled thing, yeah they popped all the time and especially old Servis and other speed control modules but, these days, not so much. They do seem to be pretty robust now overall.
I would think that lessons were learned back then and they were made to be far more robust to avoid the costs of changing them under warranty. It’s not in the manufacturer’s interest to produce something either sub-standard or that will “just do” really as it will end up costing them in the long run.
Sadly though I do think that the thinking of, “It must be the PCB” pervades today even when it’s got naff all to do with the PCB.
To give you a slightly left of field example though of “other factors”, we had a guy on kicking off big time about how bad his ISE was, PCB had failed and this was terrible. It could have burnt the house down the toxic fumes would have wiped out half the village, the dog would have died and we were putting his children’s lives at risk. He’s going to sue us for thousands. Bla. Bla. Etc. Etc.
Engineer calls to look at it.
He’d spilt coffee on the damn thing and popped the board. He omitted that part of the story, funny that eh?
In a number of the things you look at, you will find stuff like this and it’s probably much more common than you may think but, if there’s an excuse to punt the blame and/or cost onto you, the retailer, the manufacturer…
K.
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The limitation of RCDs (Residual Current Devices) is that they only respond to faults causing an imbalance between live and neutral current, which usually only happens when there is leakage to earth. The clue to this is in their old fashioned name ELCBs (Earth Leakage Circuit Breakers).
RCDs work perfectly for an insulation fault, eg chafed wiring, where current flows from the live or neutral conductor to earth. They also are great at protecting against electric shock, where a small current flows from a live conductor through a person’s body to earth.
Many electrical fires are caused by localised heating resulting from a “bad” electrical contact, for example a loose wiring connector or a dry joint on a pcb. RCDs can do nothing to protect against this type of fault until a breakdown in insulation causes a conductor to short to earth, usually once a fire has started to take hold.
I’ve seen a few “burnt” pcbs on these FDW dishwashers over the years caused by loose pcb faston tabs, similar to the problem often seen on the rear mounted Servis washing machine pcbs.
Ken’s observation re the spilt coffee rings true. I remember replacing a Smeg integrated dishwasher pcb twice in one year, as the housewife had a habit of leaving the dishwasher door ajar and sponging the worktop above over-enthusiastically. I suspect some of the Servis washing machine pcb burn-outs I’ve seen were caused by high levels of damp in the room and condensation on the pcb.
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Martin wrote:
lee8 wrote:
think about it.Rest assured, that we will call on you for a solution, if you can spare the time that is?
No need.
The quantity of incidents is so low as to provide all the proof anybody should need, so long as they actually do think for themselves, but many will follow the ever increase madness that is the blame culture. :rolls:
It came up in a conversation the other day, when was the last time you watched or witnessed a fire or for that matter a fire engine pass you.
I’m on the road for approx 5 hrs a day, cannot remember the last time I have seen a house with fire damage, the only one that sticks in my mind was a family of 5 killed in a house fire thanks to a pi88ed relative falling asleep whilst the chip pan was on. That was 1986.
Maybe its a conspiracy. 8)
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I would say on average that there is a report of a fire caused by a domestic appliance at least once a month in the Oldham Chronicle, mainly tumble dryers.
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No need.
The quantity of incidents is so low as to provide all the proof anybody should need
oh dear
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“…….wor is it abart that lot on’t other side ut Pennines thut ‘ave trouble wi just using a tumble dryer Mable?” ……….”Are Albert ses e reckons it’s summat in their jeans!”
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As I look out of the window, I see on the horizon, black smoke billowing forth from the tenements, the sirens deafening out any sound of normality. The cemeteries, once peaceful, quaint, places to reflect, a place for memories to retreat back to times when loved ones made us happy, have now since the scourge arrived become dark places, rank with death.
They told us it would be a revolution, simplify our lives, instead they have become a means of inflicting severe suffering, vengeance, death, it lives amongst us, waiting for its chance, no home is safe, nobody will survive.
Nope, just the sound of birds, the blue sky is clearly visible.
Just because one person wins the lottery does not mean everybody will.
Think a bit more.
I need a holiday. 😥
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