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Re: I really must not take advantage of customers…
twicknix wrote: I must say that it’s really good on drying the clothes but it takes 2 and a half hours! Mustn’t grumble, think of the leccy bill…
Have you got a plug-in energy monitor you can run it through? Would be interesting to see real world leccy consumption compared to a conventional dryer.The general manufacturers hype suggests half the consumption of a ‘standard’ dryer but a large pinch of salt might be needed with that figure. :rolls:
Eddie.
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In fairness, they do consume a lot less energy in use, this is a true immutable fact.
Whether people can live with the compromises, especially when not pre-warned/advised is a different conversation.
Whether the overall energy use, if you account for production, additional material etc. is actually any better, again, debatable.
Technically, for the fridge guys it’s no great shakes, it’s just a fridge in reverse really at the core of it, with some bells and whistles but, the fundamental principles are the same in terms of the whole heat pump thing. In other words, it’s not exactly scary, it’s just a different way of generating heat.
K.
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Madmac – The heat pump dryer appears to be drawing 1.1kw of power against the conventional Hoover condensing dryer drawing 2.2kw.
Basically it’s low heat consumption which meant the clothes aren’t as hot as you normally expect. I do have an energy monitor (an Owl monitor) for the house, had a snap shot on how much power it draws rather on price and I cant draw comparisons due to the reason for tv being on, kettle flicked on to make a brew and many others.
I think it’s very economical to use, will confirm when I find the plug in energy monitor. It will be tricky to have identical loads for comparison as I don’t particularly want to wash the load again after drying. My wife will think I’m mad.
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Yeah, running consumption around 1Kw seems typical for them but if it’s on for twice the time then I dont see how they’re gonna be more economical 😕
As ken says, you’ve also got to take into account the energy used in manufacturing the compressor, gas, etc.There’s so much greenwash bullsh*t around these days you dont know what to believe :rolls:
Eddie
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Think the Beko one runs at 900W total load of which 200W is the motor. Takes about 4 amps when running from memory, I had a clamp meter on one while testing it, out of habit its something I do with all dryers to show if they are heating on full heat 1/2 heat etc.
They are supposed to be 60{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} more efficient than a condenser according to Miele. They run at a considerably lower temp than conventional dryers and the clothing is supposed to last longer & feel better to the wearer.
Heat Pump dryers use a closed circuit system so its recommended that the door is not opened until cycle completes, another thing that is its difficult for the consumer to grasp.
There will be pressure from the treehuggers on manufacturers to move away from element type dryers to save our planet, but its not going to be easy to get the consumer to buy something that will actually take longer to dry a load even if it is going to save money in the long run.
Not the easiest to repair as everything has to come out to get at heat pump and sensors, fan, motor etc, i’ve swapped over a complete heat pump unit on a warranty one but don’t see this as being a repair that a customer could afford.Re: I really must not take advantage of customers…
Now ladies and gentlemen…
The results from two dryers using identical load…
The Hoover Condensing VHC681B selected at extra dry consumed 1.7 kwThe John Lewis Heat Pump dryer JLTDC01 selected at extra dry consumed 1.4 kw.
17.6{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} difference and this translates a saving of £5.85 a year on electricity.
It’s hard to justify on economic grounds if you are buying from new but I got mine cheap.
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Roughly the same time as both are on sensors, The Hoover doesn’t show how long but it seems to be around 90 minutes, the J Lewis starts at 146 mins and quickly countdown and seems to finishes around 90 minutes. The time differences weren’t too great.
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twicknix wrote:
The John Lewis Heat Pump dryer JLTDC01 selected at extra dry consumed 1.4 kw.
17.6{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} difference and this translates a saving of £5.85 a year on electricity.
Hmmm… well if that’s typical real world consumption they’re barely worth the effort then.Eddie
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Madmac wrote:
twicknix wrote:
The John Lewis Heat Pump dryer JLTDC01 selected at extra dry consumed 1.4 kw.
17.6{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} difference and this translates a saving of £5.85 a year on electricity.
Hmmm… well if that’s typical real world consumption they’re barely worth the effort then.Eddie
This is where the power of percentage come into play in marketing as the savings is in double figures, just the same principle as having a Boxing day sales where everything are 17.6{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} off and it draws in a crowd and after factoring all the travel expenses, parking expenses which like yourself in the end hardly worth the effort!
I was happy to do the real world comparison in the name of science and for fellow WTA members. Next project is washing machine…oh that what was Which? is there for, ok I will put my feet up then…
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Now just going on the capital costs of the two driers the Hoover at £269 and the John Lewis at £549 you would have to have the latter 47years to break even. However the Hoover would probably have to be replaced long before the John Lewis so the best comparison would be between a John Lewis ordinary condenser(nearest is AEG T75280AC at £378) and the heat pump one. Only 27 years to break even, I know which one my money would be on.
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Bet the wonderful salespeople at john Lewis and currys will tell customers that. Great bit of info by the way
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reaper wrote:The old Hotpoint 1700 series or the 95 series knock spots off any of the new driers they would dry a load in half an hour. The air coming out the back was like a gale force wind. Alright they only turned one way but there again was the reversair facility just really a marketing opportunity. Because these heat pump driers are on for longer times belts and bearings are going to wear out quicker(work for us especially if hotpoint do a version).
The single direction dryer was fine unless you had a couple of sheets in it, one would dry perfectly, the other would be rolled up tight into a ball and not dried. So not a marketing opportunity but a sound design change, my Hotpoint TL51 still works perfectly.
PS. Hotpoint/Indesit have produced a heat pump drier for some time now. :rolls:
The base unit is a real snip at £230.99. :eeek:
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We used to have the 9326. Was a great dryer, stats used to pop occasionally
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