- This topic has 9 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 11 years ago by
.
-
Posts
-
We have a new Indiset CA55 Fridge Freezer which is installed in our large brick garage. We have followed the manufacturers instructions for using in an unheated area by turning it onto fast freeze. I have read the running costs will be expensive leaving it on this setting, (till the warmer weather). I know fast freeze bypasses the thermostat, does this mean the compressor is running all the time? If so can it be controlled from a timer on the plug to turn off for a few hours during the night say? The instructions say the freezer can be off for up to 14 hours without defrosting. What would you suggested for an ideal cycle?? Is this likely to do any harm to the unit?
Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
It will run almost all the time I expect.
It will almost certainly have an impact on the running cost and longevity of the unit.
If you don’t do that it will not cut in, the machine will then defrost as the ambient temperature is lower than the thermostat cut in is.
During the summer, assuming the normal pattern of such things, the runtimes will be extended as it fights against a high ambient.
Cutting it out on a timer is dodgy, especially with food in it as you cannot then be sure that food is being kept at the correct and a stable temperature. Salmonella anyone?
The bottom line of it is, no domestic refrigeration (or almost any appliance) is really suitable for unheated or outdoor areas and, pretty much, that’s about the size of it I’m afraid.
K.
Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
Thank you for your helpful reply. as I understand it in normal use the compressor will turn on and off many times during the day. If it is on the frost free setting (in order for it to work in the colder environment) how will the use of a timer to create the same on and off cycle create a Salmonella risk? Bearing in mind: A) the instruction book says it can be turned off 14 hours without risk and B) the fridge is in a cold environment as well.
Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
Food storage is all about stable temperatures.
When they say that it can be of for fourteen hours I would rather expect that they really mean, in an emergency (i.e. power cut etc) and without the doors being opened and, you’ll probably get away with that on a one-time basis. Relying on what is an emergency protocol for normal use I expect is not a good plan.
For more see:
http://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/fi … guiduk.pdf
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Consume … 093704.htm
http://www.food.gov.uk/northern-ireland … k/chilling
There’s loads more if you look.
To be honest, even running it of fast freeze isn’t food safe either as it will run too cold, potentially cooling chilled foods too much and frozen at a lower than ideal -18?C both of which will harm the food.
Not an issue if you use it to put beer, water, fizzy drinks and so on in it but even the likes of wine won’t stand the temperature being too low or too high, a good example of the importance of storage temperature stability.
This is a topic we get asked about time and again with the answer being the same every single time, the bottom line is, you cannot install a normal domestic refrigeration unit to an unheated and uninsulated environment safely, end of story.
More in depth explanation here: http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buyi … ouses.html
K.
Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
Best to buy an appliance suited for the environment (climate) that its going to be working in. The climatic class is normally on the rating plate of them.
Every fridge freezer has a climate class. This is the range of room temperatures the freezer is designed to work within.Climate classes are set by an international standard and range from 10°C to 43°C to cover hotter and colder countries.
Most UK freezers have a climate class of SN and will work in rooms that range from 10°C to 32°C. You can find out the climate class of your freezer by checking the rating plate or instruction manual.
Freezers: Climate class temperatures
Climate class Temperature range (oC)
SN 10-32 Sub Normal
N 16-32 Normal
ST 16-38 Sub Tropical
T 16-43 TropicalRe: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
I am surprised none of this is told to you when you buy one. Even looking on Manufacturers websites tells you nothing. We have always had a second Fridge freezer in our garages ready for the BBQ season with drinks and BBQ food and never had a problem in 20 years. We were recommended this model by the shop as it says on it you can install in rooms that are less than 16c as long as the fast freeze switch is used. I do notice it seems to be getting too cold (Ice forming inside fridge) which is why i asked if having it on a cycle by means of a timer would do any harm. Say 1 hour on and 1 hour off???
Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
Food needs to be kept at a constant temperature.
If you leave the fridge on fast freeze for more than 24 hours on an Indisit then the compressor will not last long as it was designed to run on the thermostat temperature set about midway.
This is only a self defrost fridge and not a self defrost freezer.
If you have it set on a timer and it is running when the timer cuts out you can get hot gases feed back into the freezer pipe work if it cut out Midcycle before reaching the temperature the stat would cut out.
This is because the stat cuts out when the fridge temperature is reached and not the freezer temperature.
This model would not be advisable to run off a timer.
Bob
Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
Thanks for that, very useful! If the compressor wont last long why do the manufacturers say in the instruction book: ” If the room temperature is 7c or lower (example if the product is located in a garage or outbuilding) for the refrigerator to operate correctly the ‘Fast Freeze switch’ must be in the ON position”.
Also in saying this they are approving its use outside and therefore the warranty would cover the compressor if it failed.Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
Just noticed the compressor is hardly on, its off most of the time! It is on fast freeze and its freezing normally???? Confused!
Re: Indiset CA55 installed in garage.
No idea as I’ve no access to Indesit technical so what the FF does, who knows.
It does just look like a cheap fridge freezer so it’ll be single compressor, electro-mechanical stat, no electronics so it’s got no intelligence at all. Which means that the FF should just by-pass the stat an make it run at full tilt but, no clue what they’ve done there.
It will run until the compressor starts to overheat and then it will cut out on the safety, back in as it cools off a bit. And on and on it will go until the compressor packs up.
As soon as the temperatures rise it will be okay for a while but will run hard I expect. Then in winter it won’t run at all when the ambient drops below 5?C if not 10?C.
All the while you have the danger of moisture ingress leading to rust and components shorting.
Proper machines designed to work outdoors and for marine etc often will start at about £2000 per box (fridge and freezer are usually separate items) and upwards to give you a sense of how big a difference there is.
I am sorry but the only answer that you can get is that it is unsuitable where it is and it probably won’t work correctly as it was never designed to cope with the environment.
K.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.