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Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
Use less is the only solution that I’ve seen work thus far.
Ariel and Persil are Proctor & Gamble and Unilever respectively and both produce numerous brands that tend to be variations of the same formula. Usually the lower price version seeing older formulations with less of the funky stuff in them.
Dosed correctly both are by far the best on the market. They aren’t market leaders for no reason. They lead, everyone else tries to follow, just not very well.
Most of the others are knocked up versions of whatever, many of the supermarket own label stuff made by a company in Glasgow that I can’t recall the name of. It’s cheap for a reason.
That Aldi powder seems to over foam like crazy but it’s cheap.
All the low cost ones seem to dissolve poorly causing blockages and leaks from soap drawers on occasion.
Low temperature washes are also an issue because many people try to use for everything, this is wrong. Completely wrong.
People are led to believe that it’s okay to wash stuff at low temperature and are sold the idea that they will save bucket loads of electricity (completely untrue) and that they will be saving the polar bears, also untrue. The reason is that, when clothing isn’t washed properly it leads to skin irritation but also the early demise of the items so, you buy more clothes or creams to help the rashes. Equals, more waste or people rewash the items as they’re not clean, still smelly.
In many ways people believe the hype and in in a 30 second soundbite during Corrie or whatever and, it’s often inaccurate will we say IMO. And, you can’t get the performance of a Ferrari for the cost of a Kia.
Correct dose for the conditions, correct wash temperature and program used and you will get superb results, very little chance of any hassle and your clothes for sure but quite possibly your washing machine as well will last longer.
The trouble is, lots of people (likely the majority) do not use all the above correctly and many refuse to accept that life isn’t the same as a TV commercial.
K.
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
To Liberatordeluxe – thanks, but I already knew the dose needed (~100g for my water) and it works perfectly. Rinses away completely and doesn’t over-foam. Ariel is often the recommended detergent on here and I’d second that based on user experience.
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
Keepitsimple that was the recommended dose for my area NOT yours.
Do detergent makers recommend too much?
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Whilst on the subject of detergents how does the Marks and Spencer and Waitrose own brand compare? Are they good quality? I would of thought they would be seeing as they sell good quality items.
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No clue on the M&S and Waitrose ones but I wouldn’t be shocked if they were made in Glasgow. 😉
K.
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
liberatordeluxe wrote:Keepitsimple that was the recommended dose for my area NOT yours.
Do detergent makers recommend too much?
I said ~100g is the recommended dose for my area, taking into account the softness of the water. That’s the dose I use give or take a bit as I use a measuring scoop not being quite OCD enough to weigh it accurately :rolls:
I don’t know the answer to your question other than my own experience which is that what Ariel recommend works perfectly, and I can’t really add anything further to that.
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
Is the quality that bad then? Well based on your advice ill steer clear of them. But getting back to what i was saying do you think the recommended amounts of detergent is too much and could half them?
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
kwatt wrote:No clue on the M&S and Waitrose ones but I wouldn’t be shocked if they were made in Glasgow. 😉
K.
I confess to having some clothes from Primark. Waitrose powder would be far too good for ’em I’m sure 😆
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
Removed the complete drainage system but can not find any blockages although I did find a white solid ball which looks like a ballcock in a WC system. I guess this is a non return valve? Can you remove this and will it affect the machine draining? I think the problem is Ariel, just creates too much foam and it gets stuck in the sump and doesn’t drain so the rinses become soapy. I won’t buy P&G stuff anymore so I am lumbered with Persil which my Bosch copes better with.
Detergents never used to foam so much did they? What we need is a proper low sudsing detergent made.Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
Low foam detergent is, to my knowledge, perfectly do-able and sold in some territories.
Detergent manufacturers don’t make it for US/Canada/EU because….
Customers will not accept that there is any cleaning going on if they don’t see “bubbles” and complain about it, probably with the usual “not fit for purpose” argument or the perception that their clothes haven’t been cleaned properly, even although it performs perfectly.
K.
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
The only low foam detergent I know if is SA8 Premium from Amway. It is expensive stuff but is excellent quality however you have to get it through a distributor.
Is it ok to remove the non return valve in the sump hose??
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
The ball you see in the sump hose is an ecoball.
Its purpose is to prevent the loss of detergent according to most.
The real purpose is that, yes but it also means that you are not also heating the water in the sump as it floats up and essentially locks out the use of the water in the sump.
So, if you remove it you will use more water and energy per wash and you will need to alter the detergent dose accordingly. In effect it is a cheap and effective way to reduce the resources required per wash but they have been known to “stick” and especially so where cheap or liquid detergents are used, one doesn’t dissolve well and gunges them up, the other just gunges them up.
Mechanically it makes no odds whether it’s there or not although many a field engineer, myself included, will tell you that they are a waste of space as they introduce a point of failure that is (or was) a common problem.
K.
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
Well I have removed it anyway now and have no intention of putting it back. I think it slowed down the draining personally.
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Thanks for all the help, I think have sorted the problem out fingers crossed.
Regarding liquids KWatt would I be better using the dilute ones rather than the concentrated versions?
Re: New Persil ‘Small and Mighty’
Wrong person to ask. I don’t like liquids. 😉
If asked my standard answer is, use powders. You need three.
• Normal bleach containing detergent
• Colour detergent that does not contain bleach
• Detergent for wool/delicatesThe last is obviously optional if you don’t have anything wool, silk or such which are essentially natural fibres that are delicate.
K.
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