New washing machine.

[Higher-water-level]

Right, first of all I currently have a Bosch WFF2000 that is failling of a knackered drum spider, if the part wasn’t obsolete I would repair this machine, that is the ideal.

So I have time to explore all options, the Bosch may keep going for another year or more I just don’t know, so while it is giving me abit of warning I shall look.

Starting with Miele, my parents have a Miele Little Giant, now this is the absolute muts nuts of commercial machines and if I had a spare £3286.00 I would have one without a second thought. They also have a Miele domestic condensor dryer, it too is superb and I have never known a condensor dry as quick. I like the Honeycomb drum feature as in the washer the is more metal as opposed to holes to slap the clothes off on, it also enables slower spins to remove more water. It keeps rubbish out of the drain as foreign objects cannot get through the holes, so a nice thought. I have heard of them not removing large particles and from experience with the Little Giant I can say this is not true at all, and knowing how dirty my Dad gets there is conclusive proof.

It also rinses properly a feature I must have due to having servere dermatitis, eczema and a serious allergy to ALL laundry detergents. The Miele does 5 rinses and a dilution rinse, it also has “Water Plus” permanently selected.

Now features I must have:

1-As above proper rinsing, none of this water saving rubbish.
2-Spin speed, the slower the better, 1000rpm being my ideal.
3-Short programmes (normal ones,not quick washes), not this stupid modern 2 hour garbage, I want sensible programmes, as an example the Little Giant does a Boil cotton wash, with prewash and 5 rinses in 1 hour 35 minutes, it is connected to the cold water supply only, I deem this acceptable, even with one of the heaters disconnected so it can be used on a 230V single phase supply.
4-Must have a 75oC wash.

The ISE10 looks very nice indeed however I have my reservations, I want to see one before I buy, which is understandable. Rinsing issues, how do I know 7 rinses will rinse properly as the could all have 2″ of water in the bottom of the drum, the Bosch does 4 rinses 1/3 up the door. The “Higher Water Level” on the ISE 10, does it add water the the rinses only, or the wash and rinses and how much water will it add? Also how long are the programmes and how long does 7 rinses take? Is it either 3 or 7 rinses or can you select in between such as 5? As an example how long would the cotton 60oC, 75oC and 95oC take with and without the extra rinses?

What I would use the machine for……….
I wash about 4 or 5 loads a week, coloureds, whites, bedding and work stuff. I do not wash below 60oC except for maybe once or twice a year on a delicates wash. My work stuff usually needs a boil wash due to the soil level, I also cycle to work so get bike grease on my clothes too. I only use Persil biological, bleach containing powder or tablets. I only use Persil liquid on the once or twice year delicate washes. I boil the machine out empty once a month with nothing in to clear powder residue and every 3 months with an Affresh tablet. And I certainly do not use Fabric conditioner, damned awful stuff! I do not use quick washes. I clean the drain filter monthly, there is NEVER anything in there as i check pockets first. I do look after my washer very well, so break downs are rare.

I like the ISE10, so if my concerns could be cleared up I would be most grateful. Although I do like the Miele due to my Mum and Dads experience, so I am 50/50 at the moment.
Like I say the Bosch hasn’t packed up yet so it gives me time to do my research first.

Whatever I buy will have to have the weight removed to get it up 2 flight of stairs which both turn top and bottom so you cannot use a sack cart. :rolls:

I also repair my own whitegoods, so parts have to be available for me to do so. 😉

I want nothing but a top quality machine, even though it is just for me, it is far better off me paying alot now for trouble free washing in the future, although it is an expense I could do without, I’m a carpet cleaner not a millionaire! 😆

Oliver.

[Martin]

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Higher-water-level wrote:[Now features I must have:

1-As above proper rinsing, none of this water saving rubbish.
2-Spin speed, the slower the better, 1000rpm being my ideal.
3-Short programmes (normal ones,not quick washes), not this stupid modern 2 hour garbage, I want sensible programmes, as an example the Little Giant does a Boil cotton wash, with prewash and 5 rinses in 1 hour 35 minutes, it is connected to the cold water supply only, I deem this acceptable, even with one of the heaters disconnected so it can be used on a 230V single phase supply.
4-Must have a 75oC wash.

Sounds like a Bosch WFF2000 already fits that bill Oliver. I’ve pointed you toward buying another via eBay for all the potential DIY concerns you have. There’s dozens out there and most don’t have drum/shaft issues and picking one up on eBay for (say) £5 is well worth a punt surely?

Higher-water-level wrote:The ISE10 looks very nice indeed however I have my reservations, I want to see one before I buy, which is understandable.

Why not have a word with the ISE dealer in Bradford?

Higher-water-level wrote:I want nothing but a top quality machine, even though it is just for me, it is far better off me paying alot now for trouble free washing in the future, although it is an expense I could do without, I’m a carpet cleaner not a millionaire!

Oddly in your long post you never once mentioned your budget? Usability/health issue concerns, features, longevity, reliability, fix ability doesn’t come cheap these days. So I reckon that gives you just 2 choices? Bosch WFF2000 or ISE1607. My personal recommendation is to stick with what you have, know and love and don’t stretch your carpet cleaning budget unnecessarily unless you can add the cost to your business asset list that is. 💡

[Higher-water-level]

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Hi Martin,

Thanks for the indepth reply.

Budget, I will say no more than £900 or about. I would rather buy better now to save future hassle and expense.

With regard to the WFF2000, I already have acomplete machine for spares and that too has a rotten drum spider. I am not sure I want to persue this route. Most people do not look after their washing machines and use low tempetaures so does concern me about another second hand machine. If I had the Bosch from new this wouldn’t have happened, but as the Bosch is about 17 years old now if I had bought it from new I would have only been 5!! 😆

I want to explore all the options before deciding whether to have punt on another WFF2000 or to replace the machine, I am also thinking of the future where I may put alot of money into it now only to be told next year a part it needs is obsolete too, so could end up a bit stitched up.

The only washing machine I had from new was a Hotpoint WF530T and I hated it. So when it packed up at 2 and a half years old was replaced with the Bosch, which I have only had for 18 months.

I am beginning to feel I should buy a brand new washer which I can look after how I see fit and hopefully aviod these problems in the future. I have bought a few second hand things and I have had all the same problems, but most things I have had from new haven’t been troublesome even my 4 year old White Knight vented dryer.

So if I could find a modern machine to do what the WFF2000 does it is worth a look before I go any further.

Thanks once again Martin.

Oliver 😀

[Martin]

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Higher-water-level wrote:Budget, I will say no more than £900 or about. I would rather buy better now to save future hassle and expense.

Then I couldn’t think of a more worthy person than yourself in purchasing an ISE1607. Its virtues are extolled almost to Biblical proportions by our friend Quickwash. With that I’ll put your mind at rest and hand you over to the lovely lady for even more info. Plus, your ISE man is just 5 miles up the road from where you live, need I say more? 8)

[Higher-water-level]

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Thanks Martin mate, perfect as usual! 😀

Oliver.

[quickwash]

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hi and thankyou martin,

There is only one more thing i can say about the 1607 really and that is its ‘sepercalifragilisticexpialidocious’ 😆

Seriously though, it is an excellent machine all round. I have not used the higher-water-level option or the 7 rinse option yet as at this time of year it would be a waste of water in my case. I will use the higher-water-level option when i wash duvets usually do each one at least twice a year.

The only problem i can see is that the 1607 does not have a 75o wash which oliver says he requires (why is this, if you dont mind me asking?) I find a 60o using a heavy wash is more than sufficient for my sons work clothes (he is a mechanic and is like an oil and dirt magnet :rolls: )

The machine is very sturdily built and modern looking, it is a commercial carcass so built with that use in mind. Not having one of those horrible conventional door seals fitted is a brilliant idea and the way that the carcass is seperate from the drum so it is moving independently is fascinating to watch (thats prob me being sad :rolls: )

I havent studied the various wash times in much depth as they do change with the weight of the washing 😉

regards

quickwash :plug:

[Higher-water-level]

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Hi Quickwash,

Thanks for that, it is very kind of you!

I want a 75oC wash for thermal disinfection, not everything can take a 95oC, so it is nice to have. Do you find the Heavy 60oC removes oil completley?

The door seal is a super idea, even my Mums commercial Miele has a normal seal, albeit the thickest I have ever seen so can’t imagine it failing. I had heard about the door moving and the cabinet staying still, sound intriguing.

All the best,

Oliver.

[Higher-water-level]

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Perhaps Ken would be able to advise on water use with Higher water level and how long 7 rinses would take and the other programme times ❓

I must say the ISE10 is looking impressive.

Oliver.

[Higher-water-level]

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Oh damn memory…….. :rolls:

Sorry, Quickwash, how high do the rinses fill up the door on the cotton programmes normally without any additional options set? You seem the idea lady to be asking! 😀

[quickwash]

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hi oliver,

I would be but i havent watched it 😳 however if you are nice to me i may do for you at the weekend. I would think that the ordinary settings are as most machines nowadays and reduce water so i would imagine that in your position you will need the extra options for clothes, bedding and the such.

As for oil removal etc there is also a super wash option which as yet i have not required but will probably need for the likes of cv crease, gearbox oil :rolls: I was very impressed with the ‘normal’ oil removal at 60o on the heavy option 😀

I do agree that there are a lot of items that will not take a 95o wash, but i would imagine that the people at ise would have spent much time and effort into looking into this type of thing and have decided not include the 75o wash. TBH i have not heard of much call for this temperature among the many washerwomen that i know (sorry but dont know many men who use the machine but i know you are out there 😉 )

This is obviously a personal choice for yourself, but i hope this is of a little help 😀

regards

quickwash :plug:

[Higher-water-level]

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Thank you for that Quickwash, I would really appreciate that. I am guessing it may fill to the bottom of the door glass, and if so 7 rinses would clear the soap, but comformation of this would be brilliant.

The 75oC wash is mainly off commercial machines, but the odd domestic one in years gone by had it such as the old Hoovers (Electrons and the like), it was called “Whites Economy”.

Thank you

Oliver.

[quickwash]

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hi oliver,

I will do that and post back as soon as 🙂 I used that particular wash this morning actually, sods law that!

regards

quickwash :plug:

[iadom]

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With regard to weight removal I would suggest that would be a no go on an ISE. Its a major strip down to remove the cast iron weights and as the whole of the machine is a very heavy beast it wouldn’t make much difference either way.

Also not sure about the 1607 but on the earlier ISE10 it is possible to set it to the 90° wash and then reduce the set temperature by increments.

[Higher-water-level]

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iadom wrote:With regard to weight removal I would suggest that would be a no go on an ISE. Its a major strip down to remove the cast iron weights and as the whole of the machine is a very heavy beast it wouldn’t make much difference either way.

Also not sure about the 1607 but on the earlier ISE10 it is possible to set it to the 90° wash and then reduce the set temperature by increments.

This is a bugger.

However we got the Bosch up in one piece at 68kg, the ISE is 73kg so not really alot of difference.

If the rinsing is up to standard I think I will be buying an ISE10.

Thanks Jim.

Oliver.

[quickwash]

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Hi oliver,

Now where to begin…

I did the normal cotton wash yesterday and i think as i mentioned the washer adjusts the water to the amount of washing, which was a small load just for you, the water was about 2cm above the bottom of the drum.

Now, today i am doing a bigger load and the water did run into the machine for longer and the water is at the edge of the door surround.

BUT there are a couple of things that may need to be taken into consideration here, the first is that the drum on this ‘baby’ is massive (inner drum width 44cm) and from the bottom of the inner drum to the edge of the door surround is 8cm, so the amount of water needed to get 1/3 up the glass would be phenomenal. I will do this wash again tomorrow and use the higher water level for you and post the results.

In all honesty, I think in your situation you would really need the higher water lever anyway.

Also, i have re-read my manual and apart from the super rinse option of 7 rinses there is the opportunity to change the settings from the normal 3 rinses and increase the rinses to 5.

HTH

regards

quickwash :plug:

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