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Yippee some may say, gas cooker and hobs among other things like, oh you know, gas boilers and so on are apparently to be phased out over the next fifteen years…
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/appliance … phased-out
Okay so, who’s up of paying (praying?) to get Gas Safe now then? 😉
K.
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What, all 195 that voted for it?
I can see the logic in it Martin, it does actually make perfect sense to get rid of gas.
K.
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kwatt wrote:I can see the logic in it Martin, it does actually make perfect sense to get rid of gas.
Stopping production of gas cookers yes. That will happen anyway as few manufacturers make them due to lack of demand. Stop producing them overnight and no-one will suffer as a better alternative is electric anyway.
Gas hobs and boilers, nah. No such effective alternative exists at this present time. The commercial world relies heavily on gas hobs for hotels, restaurants and factory canteens. In homes throughout the land 61{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} use a gas hobs but only 38{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} choose electric.
Replace gas boilers with electric? Heat pumps I suppose. They have to run 24/7 using electricity. They need to be huge units bolted to the floor. Ideally pumping water out of thermo drilled holes hundreds of feet below ground.
It’s a nonesense dreamed up by idiots spurred on by those ‘anti fracking’ nut cases.
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Actually… 😉
Induction cooking is becoming more and more common and liked in commercial cooking although some chefs do prefer gas.
But, it’s cheaper to run, easier to clean and safer as well as cheaper to maintain so, it won’t be long before it all switches to induction anyway, regardless.
As you say yourself, electric is better.
You can get electric combi boilers right now, not much if any more cost than a gas one. Expect more as landlord, that don’t want the high cost of maintaining gas ones, switch to that.
So, no loss there then.
Heat pump prices will come down and in any case, there’s a huge rise in that, geo-thermal and so on pushing on gas ones.
The only reason a lot of people stick with gas is probably as, that’s the done thing, that’s what they know so, they resist change.
But it doesn’t make a jot of difference if you can’t the things installed or repaired does it?
Or, if there’s nothing coming through the pipe, you’re a bit stuffed!
K.
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kwatt wrote:Or, if there’s nothing coming through the pipe, you’re a bit stuffed!
I’ll drink to that thought……..
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kwatt wrote:
You can get electric combi boilers right now, not much if any more cost than a gas one. Expect more as landlord, that don’t want the high cost of maintaining gas ones, switch to that.
So, no loss there then.
K.
Not sure about the rest of the country but gas is still around half the Kwh cost of off peak leccy in these parts.
And quite how will the nat grid with a few percent of spare capacity in winter deal with all those electric boilers firing up and pulling 10 Kw or whatever extra per household ?Utter bollox if you ask me, gas is still (relatively) the cleanest way of providing space heating and hot water at a vaguely affordable cost for the average family.
Eddie.
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So what happens when the power cables come down in the storms and the solar panels are covered in snow!
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You have an interesting gamble on your hands…
Will you perish due to cold from lack of heating or, will you starve first. 😉
But for gas heating, you need electricity to run the stat, pump and so on anyways so even now, if the power goes out, you haven’t got heating unless you’ve a gas fire and, if that’s got an electric system you’re stuffed there too.
Cooking, buy a camping stove.
Plenty of people have survived just fine for all of creation without gas, mains or LPG, in rural areas all over the UK that are far more liable to experience such conditions and, while it’s a hassle if that happens, the world still turns.
K.
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Its a pity that government over the last few decades hadn’t got serious about insulation standards for new builds in the way most Scandinavian countries have.
300mm wall cavities stuffed with plain old glass wool batts, 500mm of the same in roll form in the attic and 200mm of polystyrene before the floor slab is poured would have given near passivhaus levels of insulation at very little extra cost, with commonly available materials.Still have to rely on the good old British tradesman to actually do a proper job when installing the stuff though, which is never a given, if the job the muppets who did my loft insulation is anything to go by.
Has to make sense to try to reduce demand before you start banning stuff :rolls:
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If I’m honest and, I get some may well be hacked off… I’ll be glad to see the back of it.
I have to try to be impartial but, that’s hard.
Gas is a royal PITA to everyone.
People get to burn a highly flammable and combustable fuel in their homes that produces noxious gases when not done in *exactly* the correct manner. Delivered via a pipe that has enough to easily blow their home to shreds.
If you proposed that now, you’d be told to get lost, don’t be crazy. Why on Earth would you want something in your house that can poison, kill and blow you up?
So let me ask, those that are opposed to gas being dropped, are you are Gas Safe registered then?
If you’re not, since you’re so keen on gas as a valid fuel, are you willing to shell out the cost to become Gas Safe registered and jump through all the hoops to get that?
If the answer to either is no then, I think that pretty much says it all. 😉
K.
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I believe 4-5 times more people die from electricity than gas each year in the UK, last year only 6 people died from gas related incidents.
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Yup. Probably, especially when you include work or industrial incidents and don’t filter just domestic.
Guessing that figure came from the same (or same syndicated story) snippet as this gem was culled from;
“The figures were revealed by the Gas Safe Register, which said it found dangerous appliances in one in six of the 142,507 homes it had inspected over the past five years.”
That doesn’t strike me as good odds. However, who knows how correct that is?
300 injuries reported also.
Oh and the 30 deaths from CO poisoning as well. Something that everyone freaks out about yet, very few have a clue how to even test for let alone sort out if they find an issue or, should I say, find the correct issue.
(Note: these will be primarily domestic incidents as long term or intense exposure in confined space is needed)
NHS figures say, 200 cases, 40 deaths per annum.
But then, virtually every UK home has mains electricity. According to the National Grid only 10.9 million homes have gas, way less than half the 27 million odd homes in the UK so, a little perspective on those numbers could be in order.
And guess what, those 16.1 million households get along just fine without any gas! 😉
Stats, gotta luv ’em. You can debate the meaning all day long with some.
One that cannot be disputed though is that the number of people that repair gas appliances (or much anything else for that matter), are even willing to think about getting Gas Safe registered is minimal and, in light of the general trend I can’t see that getting any better anytime soon… or ever really.
To do a “Martin” the winds of change are blowing and, there ain’t no smell of gas on them.
K.
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