NTC – what is it and what does it do?

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  • #22399
    MickGeorge
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    Hi folks

    Going to show my ingnorance here but you know what they say if you don’t ask then you don’t find out..

    Noticed in a lot of fault codes and posts reference to a NTC and not sure what it means.. worked out thar pcb is printed circuit board but NTC has me baffled.. 😳

    Thanks

    #194806
    gegsy
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    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    Hi Mick
    Have a look here http://www.designinfo.com/cornerstone/ref/negtemp.html 😉

    Greg

    #194807
    MickGeorge
    Participant

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    Thanks gregsy

    Quite a comprehensive article.. but basicaly a thermister that works negativly… presumably these are fitted to the tub or whatever like the ordenary themister and not part of the electronic board.

    Mick

    #194808
    gegsy
    Participant

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    MickGeorge wrote:… like the ordenary themister and not part of the electronic board.

    There are only two types of Thermister, namely negatve and positive.

    1/ A Positive Temperature Coefficient (PTC) resistor is a resistor with a positive temperature coefficient. When the temperature rises the resistance of the PTC increases.

    2/ A Negative Temperature Coefficient (NTC) resistor is also a temperature-dependent resistor, but with a negative temperature coefficient. When the temperature rises the resistance of the NTC drops.

    HTH
    Greg

    #194809
    iadom
    Moderator

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    MickGeorge wrote:Thanks gregsy

    Quite a comprehensive article.. but basicaly a thermister that works negativly… presumably these are fitted to the tub or whatever like the ordenary themister and not part of the electronic board.

    Mick

    The NTC is the ‘ordinary thermistor’ attached to the drum or more often these days slotted into the heater itself on washing machines.

    Jim

    #194810
    EFS
    Participant

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    Look out for the temp sensor on Whirlpool ovens.
    Described as NTC but if you test it it is PTC which may confuse diagnosis 😉

    Steve

    #194811
    eastlmark
    Moderator

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    In this trade, NTC seems to be the universal term for any electronic temp sensing device whatever its operational function., these days.

    #194812
    Penguin45
    Participant

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    eastlmark wrote:universal term for any electronic temp sensing device

    They were called thermistors when I started………

    Chris.

    #194813
    funkyboogy
    Participant

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    does sound a bit more swav and sophisticated when you mention..
    yes luv your main thermister is defo in a negative co-eficient situation and need replaced….that will be lots of money please…

    as oppossed to..ehhhh yes luv its your thermostat, oh is that all…
    errr yeh…

    ps did they design them because it can talk to a digital board better than the old thermostst ????
    ally

    #194814
    Martin
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    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    funkyboogy wrote:ps did they design them because it can talk to a digital board better than the old thermostst ????

    A thermostat has just one pre- set cut-off point whereas a thermistor’s (NTC) temperature coefficient (resistance) can provide a digital electronic control system dozens of temps from the same device!

    #194815
    Jackal
    Participant

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    You guys need to get out more. 😀 😀 😀

    Jackal

    #194816
    gegsy
    Participant

    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    Sssshhh…… the master doesn’t let us out 😥 😆

    #194817
    Martin
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    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    Jackal wrote:You guys need to get out more.

    :rotl:

    But it’s cold out there! (….or maybe my NTC is giving a false reading?) :hmm:

    #194818
    andy2
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    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    Martin wrote:

    funkyboogy wrote:
    ps did they design them because it can talk to a digital board better than the old thermostst ????

    A thermostat has just one pre- set cut-off point whereas a thermistor’s (NTC) temperature coefficient (resistance) can provide a digital electronic control system dozens of temps from the same device!

    Yep. The voltage value derived from the resistance is converted to an equivalent binary value in an analogue to digital converter on the microcontroller chip. This value can then be compared against a binary constant which is representative of the required temperature until the two values are approx equal.

    The same technique is used on some program selector switches eg. GIAS

    Each position of the switch selects various combinations of tiny on chip resistors which returns a unique value from which after A to D conversion the switch position can be determined by the microprocessor.

    Andy 😀

    #194819
    Penguin45
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    Re: NTC – what is it and what does it do?

    Gawd Andy………
    What happened to the fixed value resistance comparator array? When the the thermistor value matched the fixed selected resistance value, off it went. I could get my head round that one.

    Chris.

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