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Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
Now it is looking calmer and more evidence based. Ken posted a link to HSE about gas safety concerning touring caravan, in my case my caravan is private and only my family use it. It is not for hire, therefore it is outside the Gas Safe regulations which means it is not legally required to have it.
I stand by that is good practice to have someone who is recognised by other certification bodies that side stepped the Gas Safety regulations who can service caravans and motorhomes that are for private use. But if the caravans and motorhomes are hired out then it needs a landlord certificate so enter in Gas Safe register.
Lee8 posted images saying that Gas Safe engineer should be used, but I think he missed the point completely, the heading on top is holiday homes and residential parks which refers to Static caravans and are often hired out which is completely different outlay than a tourer and motorhome. The regulations applies to Static but not tourer.
Now I shall sleep soundly with the knowledge that I am sending my caravan to a servicing centre that are operating within the laws and regulations. Thank you for fishing out the information for us to read and ponder.
It’s certainly a real eye opener and despite our good intentions, we are human and can be wrong sometimes. This case proves that no-one in the right or wrong just the way it was interpreted.
Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
Your caravan guy has a cert of competence, you’ve yet to state this, if not, there still in the brown stuff.
Competence and responsibility are the key words to understand.
My last uploads are taken from the Caravan Club, the fact sheet covers all forms, yours included and there advice is that of all the agencies.
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Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
Direct from Gas Safe today:-
Gas Safe wrote:By law, any gas engineer who is working on heat producing gas appliances must be on the Gas Safe Register. If the business is installing a range cooker with a chimney/flue it will require notification of installation this applies to all mobile homes, static and mobile caravans.
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Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
It’s all very well for Gas Safe to say it is law but they need to show it where did it say in law. The regulations says that tourers are exempt from Gas Safe, a lesser certification body like CITO can be used for this purpose.
You need to ask why are there so many caravan service places that are not Gas Safe registered.
Caravan club only gives out guidance and it looks good to say “use Gas Safe” as they do not want to cause grey areas.
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twicknix wrote:It’s all very well for Gas Safe to say it is law but they need to show it where did it say in law.
Gas Safety (installation and use) Regulations 1998
Go read all about it on the HSE web site.
Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
Have just done a search on caravan and motorhome service companies in the local area and these are typical of the results that are coming up
http://www.caravanservicingnorthdevon.co.uk/
http://rivendellcaravanservices.co.uk/None of them mention gas safe registration.
The only one that I have found that is Gas Safe is one that does statics as well
Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
This might be the answer
http://cito.org.uk/engineers/gas/acops-5-day.htmlRe: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
Personally i’d prefer to air on the side of caution and use a company that does all servicing and is therefore required to be gas safe.
That way at least if you survive an incident you dont look like a muppet in the coroners court.
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lee8 wrote:That way at least if you survive an incident you dont look like a muppet in the coroners court.
I wouldn’t think that if you survived you’d fall under the remit of a coroner or, I hope not.
K.
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jag-12 wrote:Have just done a search on caravan and motorhome service companies in the local area and these are typical of the results that are coming up
http://www.caravanservicingnorthdevon.co.uk/
http://rivendellcaravanservices.co.uk/None of them mention gas safe registration.
The only one that I have found that is Gas Safe is one that does statics as well
This was why I posted on this forum and how can someone say I prefer to use Gas Safe registered person when there are so few of them. This brings us to what the regulation says, it is not required for tourers and CITO is adequate. Never mind what Gas Safe says but the regulation says that tourers are exempt. Regulations is law and yet Gas Safe is pointing to this and says you have to use Gas Safe when it says clearly that it is exempt! Why aren’t Gas Safe hounding down those caravan servicing people?
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I repeat OMG.
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kwatt wrote:He can do it on his own property only and not be breaking the law.
Do it for anyone else, paid or not and it’s a breach.
Gas Safe and/or HSE will go after him if he gets caught, probably with gusto as it’s an easy win for them. That’s who he would be reported to as well.
K.Doing gas work on your own property legally is I’m afraid an “old wives tale”, you must be competent to work on gas anywhere, whether that be in your own house or a friends, if your are competent you can in fact work on gas in other peoples homes, Gas safe registration is required only when doing it as part of your business or for reward.
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twicknix wrote:What lee8 showed looks like to me that it is for conversion from natural gas to LPG. Hence the wording “Changeover”. Different thing, I think.
I’ve been registered LPG (inc leisure) for around 15 years and can confirm that Lee8 has the correct LPG qualifications and there is no difference.
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