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I’ve moved and the washing machine is fitted in a way that means I have to completely remove the detergent drawer to put washing powder into it.
Is it ok to put washing powder into the drum with the clothes? ISTR there may be some problem with proper dispersal or dissolving.
(I’m using ordinary powder. Not compact powder or tablets.)
Re: OK to put washing powder into the drum?
It possibly better to use one or two tablets and place them to the very back of the drum before you load the washing into it.
You can put powder in the drum first but a fair amount of it might go through the drum holes and into the sump before the water comes in.
Not a good idea to put the powder directly on top of the clothes.
You could use liquids but as they don’t contain any bleach they often lead to smelly machines and stained door seals when used at low temperatures.
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Been putting the powder on top of the clothes in the drum for years and had absolutley no trouble, never had anything bleached or damaged. My Mum does the same and she has had absolutley no damage done whatsoever.
I won’t use the drawer, because not all the powder goes into the wash, so ends up going in the rinse cycle, my Mum also reports the same problem. :rolls:
HWL.
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Higher-water-level wrote:Been putting the powder on top of the clothes in the drum for years and had absolutley no trouble, never had anything bleached or damaged.
Now hold on a minute, doing that is NOT to be recommended nor does it make much sense in the grand scheme of all things washing machine. (Unless of course you hold little regard toward the contents of
the wash I suppose. :rolls: )Powder granules are intended to make immediate contact with water and NOT clothing lest they be damaged, especially if that powder contains any hint of a bleaching agent. So far better (as Iadom correctly advises) to put the detergent at the back of the drum BEFORE placing clothing in the machine. Thus insuring that on start-up the machine will fill with water and disperse the surfactant in such a way as not to harm the garments.
Especially true of some slightly older machines that often fill first but do not tumble to disperse the powder. (the clothing merely sits in the water solution until it heats to the pre-set temperature and then, only then, do they tumble. During that time the undiluted bleach based powder could do untold damage to the clothing within!
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Hi Martin,
My machine is a Bosch and is 16 years old, this funnily enough tumbles while it is filling. However my Mums IAR Siltal Fills 2″ in the bottom of the drum and tumbles with gentle action for 3 minutes (in this time you can see powder granules all over the washing) then fills fully and starts agitating normally.
Neither of us have ever had any damsge done by detergent, incedentally we both use biological bleach containg Persil.
HWL.
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Higher-water-level wrote:Neither of us have ever had any damsge done by detergent, incedentally we both use biological bleach containg Persil.
Yes HWL you told us that before and your point was not lost on me, it really wasn’t. Well for you and your mum that you never had a problem however, and at the risk of repeating myself, it is NOT a recommended practice to do that.
Perhaps given this advice you may adopt a different approach in future and advise mum too?
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Martin wrote:
Higher-water-level wrote:
Neither of us have ever had any damsge done by detergent, incedentally we both use biological bleach containg Persil.
Perhaps given this advice you may adopt a different approach in future and advise mum too?Evening Martin,
We have both tried it and some part of the dose always ends up going in on the rinsing cycle. This for me is a serious problem as I suffer from servere eczema and dermatitis and am allergic to all laundry detergents, so is very important my laundry is rinsed to perfection, hence the older machine.
My Mums IAR Siltal should take it all in on the wash fill as I adjusted the pressure switch a while ago and now fills up to the bottom of the door on wash, so that quantity of water should shift it into the drum, however it still leaves some behind and rather annoyingly goes in with the rinses.
Both machines are on the cold supply as there is no available hot supply for my Bosch, and the hot supply in my Mums kitchen has been pinched for the dishwasher!
I take the advice though, and am not having a go at you. 😉
HWL.
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I thought it was ok to throw the power straight in the drum before loading because the sump hose has a floating ball in it stopping the powder going down the sump into the pump. ❓
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metalmicky wrote:I thought it was ok to throw the power straight in the drum before loading because the sump hose has a floating ball in it stopping the powder going down the sump into the pump. ❓
Thats only if it fills first for a short period to allow the ‘eco’ ball to lift and seal off the sump. If you tip it into the drum then some of the powder may well sink right into the sump before any water has entered the machine.
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iadom wrote:
metalmicky wrote:
I thought it was ok to throw the power straight in the drum before loading because the sump hose has a floating ball in it stopping the powder going down the sump into the pump. ❓Thats only if it fills first for a short period to allow the ‘eco’ ball to lift and seal off the sump. If you tip it into the drum then some of the powder may well sink right into the sump before any water has entered the machine.
Just curious … How does powder placed in the detergent drawer avoid going into the sump? Isn’t drawer detergent going to be flushed to a similar location in the machine as powder placed inside the drum and which passes through the holes. IYSWIM.
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Most modern machines have an ‘eco ball’ system.
The machine will fill through the rinse valve for several seconds, this fills through the prewash side of the drawer and lifts up the eco ball in the sump hose and blocks off the sump.
The machine then switches to the wash fill valve to flush in the detergent, “Simples” 8)
Re: OK to put washing powder into the drum?
iadom wrote:Most modern machines have an ‘eco ball’ system.
The machine will fill through the rinse valve for several seconds, this fills through the prewash side of the drawer and lifts up the eco ball in the sump hose and blocks off the sump.
The machine then switches to the wash fill valve to flush in the detergent, “Simples” 8)
I am not sure I fully understand all of those mechanical details! Excuse me for being thick but I can’t see how detergent placed in the drawer is going to end up in a different location to detergent placed in the drum.
Surely both those locations result in detergent sloshing about in the water below the drum?
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The detergent being in the drum is not a problem.
Tests on earlier appliances have shown that detergent washed directly into the sump does not work efficiently. The sump is the general name for the main sump hose and the drain pump, these always contain a fair amount of water.Soooooo, on modern machines they fill through the rinse valve which does not flush the soap into the drum, this lifts up the plastic ‘eco’ ball which effectively seals off the sump. The machine then switches to the wash fill valve to flush the detergent into the drum.
If you place a powder detergent directly into the drum then some of it will have dropped through the holes in the drum and into the sump.
I’m hopeful that I will have an Professor Henry Higgins moment anytime soon. 😉
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smarko wrote:Surely both those locations result in detergent sloshing about in the water below the drum?
Yes! 😀
Once the water heads south and that drum start a rollin’ there’s a whole lot of sloshing goin’ on…..!!! 8)
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