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Hi,
Would UKWG be able to collect all the “change the 10uf cap” repair tips into a “sticky” post at the top?
Thanks Graeme
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Well, bubs, looks like one of the mods might have read your post!
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ic&t=51155
Mike.Re: pcb repairs, sticky??
😳 Have to admit I missed this thread but after curing a flashing lightshow Hotpoint with a 17p capacitor today I thought it should be ‘stuck’.
Not sure EMW & QER will be best pleased though. 😉
Jim.
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Many moons ago I said there should be a separate sticky for module repairs. Perhaps the sticky could be called ‘module repairs.’ It would be more open. It would sit nicely with the hints & tricks.
Other board repairs such as the servis resistor change for dead boards, or the cleaning of the zanussi blue cable connector to cure flickering display, etc.
Oh…theres a good one about changing a zener diode for no heat on hotpoint dishwasher boards. I’m still to try that one.What do you reckon?
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Good idea. Perhaps Shop@ could get in a stock of the most commonly failing parts for us to purchase.
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kladave wrote:jim
That link is dead.
DaveWhich link do you mean, could be something wrong at your end, both links working fine here. :wink
Possible firewall, AV or security settings.
Jim.
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timdowning wrote:
What do you reckon?
It is a good idea, nothing to stop any member adding to the thread, I will rename it. 😉
Edit.
DONE. Feel free to add anything you may think is useful, we can always tidy them up afterwards. 😉
Jim.
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iadom wrote:😳 Have to admit I missed this thread but after curing a flashing lightshow Hotpoint with a 17p capacitor today I thought it should be ‘stuck’.
Not sure EMW & QER will be best pleased though. 😉
Jim.
Manny of so called PCB repair is done in less than an hour and with less costs 😯 … but for that you should have a lot of different electronic pieces and tools… for example for main old electronic control boards will be enough one cheap soldering but in newest you have to work with soldering station/ heating air station and the last is soldering without heat (those are used for printed circuits on glass ceramic for ex.). I want to say that to find what should be done and how will spend enought money and time… :hmm:
But I do think that everyone should see what can be done better in his domain. :lesson: In other words what will happen when each people will try to repair all kind of things. Price for each job will decrease, will be fewer jobs per day and so on… We, from east countries, have and still leave our live in this way and isn’t good at all… Nobody will respect others jobs… :shake:
For example how do you fill and say when, going to one call, customer will tell you “just bring me the carbon brush because my washer has E50 error… and for changing them aren’t hard jobs and should take no charge…???” :angry4: nobody will appreciate …
Another example is that: in my area if someone bring one board to me which was tried to repaired… than price will be double… in order to secure me that he will not try again to s.c.c. my income… In the same way I do not go at customers home, even I am able to do, because my job and business is just B2B (“business to business”)… 8)
It’s just one point of view 😕
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Hi Adrian, I understand exactly what you are saying but to put it into context.
If I was to have a blanket charge of say £150 for every single machine I repaired, regardless of whether it needed any parts or not I do not think I would be in business for very long.
Perhaps a more flexible charging structure to the trade side could be a more acceptable route.
The WF board I repaired for a parts cost of 17p would have cost me £50 from EMW. 😯
I don’t know about others but I am eternally grateful to learn from a fellow trade member about this simple fix. 8)
It may not work every time but I’m sure as hell going to try it first in future.
What you are talking about is slightly different, members of the general public doing their own repairs is another thing altogether.
Real B2B would have a different pricing structure for business to business transactions. 😉
Jim.
Definatley worth mentioning the resistor that goes on the Whirlpool AW05 range of washers, that has prevented me from BERing a few machines.
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I think this is a HUGELY worthwhile use of time and effort.
I know the old REMCO Servis modules usually just needed a 60p resistor fitted to repair them as well, the white rectangular one IIRC as they burnt out.
The Whirlpool side-by-side one is obviously well enough known.
If we can get more info on that sticky that Jim started that’d be great, meanwhile I try to dream up some way of making the information more accessible to all.
I’ve no problem with sourcing the bits, I do it already for some electronic repairs so it’s not really a hassle to add a few more bits. THat said, the P&P often costs more than the parts!
K.
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kwatt wrote:
I’ve no problem with sourcing the bits, I do it already for some electronic repairs so it’s not really a hassle to add a few more bits. THat said, the P&P often costs more than the parts!K.
I also do not have problems on helping in giving some tips.
I suggest just to be able on puting directly images (.jpg or other) in order to see accurate things…iadom wrote:Perhaps a more flexible charging structure to the trade side could be a more acceptable route.
The WF board I repaired for a parts cost of 17p would have cost me £50 from EMW. .
Jim, I understood all those things… always repair costs from material used is cheap but, to find which must be change is little harder… I do not spoke here about the time spent on testing&probe… So I translated into my work so:
– an new board cost X £
– an recon board from me cost 3/4 X £ with my quaranty or 1/2 X £ without [same board at my customer choice (trade member)]
– an repair repair job cost under 1/2 X £So my customer (trade members) will earn in the same proportion like me for: good diagnose; “changing parts” and public relation …
Isn’t fair enough? 😳
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baron wrote:
Isn’t fair enough? 😳
Well yes, but life isn’t fair and never has been Adrian. 😥
The internet has rendered old ideas and values completely obsolete.
Even before the current financial climate started to impact on all our lives the people who adapted to the possibilities and made use of the information available will have given themselves the best chance of survival.
Its a harsh world out there, the theory of evolution may be many years old but the process of evolution is ongoing and active all around us. 😉
Jim.
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iadom wrote:The internet has rendered old ideas and values completely obsolete.
Yes is right… but also the internet have give us the possibility to learn easiest, faster and much on our jobs… without him will stand even now at producers hands… He have now the opportunity to interchange our knowledge’s BUT after seven years on working for British-American Tobacco Company like trade member and sales representatives I learn that I shouldn’t sale my self (my knowledge and abilities) anyway… The incomings will arise in proportion with service quality and good management of spending (costs management)…
In order to understand what I mean: I have now in my workshop two Beko’s with the same problem for a week… The problem stays into eeprom file… but I cannot reach that file because, like other manufactures Beko, doesn’t gave access to spares from appliances sold in other countries (neither technical info)… so I have to look after that in Germany… to seek trade members who recon boards and ask for that file…
So from my point of view (costs and efforts) isn’t anymore efficient… but for my “image/advertising” is good… so all my customer has to know that they will be convincing that can resolve most of problem with me…
If I convince myself that in this area I do not have feature anymore (in two or tree years I will not be able to earn enough that I need) then I will specialize in other field but still in applied electronic… we have to be flexible and malleable, investing all time into learning and stay updated on what appears on the market… One big mistake I’ve made some time ago (to be 20 years ago) when instead on developing my knowledge (after graduate University) I start to work in other field just from money point of incoming view… so I have to work harder to overcome this delay… and other mistake was at beginning of my business when instead of staying close to information I have worked a lot on field…
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