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Re: Refrigeration ‘interim personnel certificate’
No you can go anywhere you wish for the certificate, prices are different depending on who you go to but you must be registered by 4th July 2009 with evidence that you were working on hcfc (r134a) prior to 4th July 2008
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If you just replace PCBs/thermostats is it still required?
S.
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do you have to be a member of the WTA and if so how do you join?
cheers chris
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No, you only need the FGAS certificate if you handle R134a gas pretty much from a domestic appliance point of view.
You don’t have to be a member of the TA to apply, you are welcome to do so even as a non-member.
Oh and I got a letter today that is obviously a mail out that directs you to REFCOM, don’t go there! Use either the WTA or DASA as it’s a LOT cheaper in both instances. 😉
K.
Once you have an Interim certificate from WTA or Dasa or your City and Guilds the company then needs to register with Refcom, the price for the company to register ranges from £70 to £800 depending on your size. But you must register with both. Dasa has information available on its website to read for members and non members alike
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I had a chap on the phone this morning who’d been on to REFCOM, they told him that they weren’t interested in any domestic appliance companies and were only interested in commercial refrigeration.
When hydro-carbons were mentioned they did their usual and ran for the hills. 😉
K.
Re: Refrigeration ‘interim personnel certificate’
Sparrowhawk – the certificate that DASA and WTA are offering is for the individual engineer. Therefore as long as an engineer is registered he is covered until 2011. It was made clear to us from DEFRA that companies would be dealt with differently but this did not exclude individuals from applying for certification. If for instance they were to move jobs they would be covered with their new employer because of their own certification.
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How would i prove that i was “suitably experienced” if im self employed but have no work provider.
Thanks
Subs
If you have a receipt for some refrigerant I think that’s enough but Ian will know better I think.
K.
Re: Refrigeration ‘interim personnel certificate’
This might clarify for some.
Current and Interim Requirements, RAC, HFC Refrigerants, less than 3kg
The current qualification requirements are to hold either a City and Guilds 2078 or CITB 206710
qualification or:-
a) to hold an in-house qualification (see Section 8 for more details) or
b) before the 15th February 2008, to have carried out such work on equipment containing less than
3kg of HFC refrigerant without supervision.
European Commission Regulation 303/2008 permits the UK to introduce a system for personnel that
do not hold a certificate that meets the future minimum qualifications to continue working if they hold
an “interim certificate”. Interim certificates would be valid up to 3rd July 2011. The Government will be
consulting later this summer on proposed regulations that are likely to have the following effect:
Personnel holding an in house qualification would be deemed holders of an interim certificate.
Personnel holding the City & Guilds 2078 or CITB 206710 would be deemed holders of an
interim certificate.
Personnel relying on Option (b), previous experience, will need to apply for and obtain an
interim certificate before 4th July 2009. At the time of writing (May 2008) the body that can
issue such interim certificates had not yet been identified, although Defra and BERR are
having discussions with DASA (Domestic Appliance Service Association). No final decisions
will be taken until a public consultation later this summer on arrangements for issuing interim
certificates and the necessary regulations has taken place.
Future Requirements from July 2011, RAC, HFC Refrigerants, less than 3kg
As described in Section 4 above, the current qualifications will not meet the long term minimum
requirements specified in European Commission Regulation 303/2008. It is expected that new GB
qualifications that meet the minimum requirements will be introduced during Summer 2008.
The future requirement for personnel carrying out refrigerant handling activities on RAC systems
containing less than 3 kg of refrigerant will be to hold either a Category I or a Category II certificate
awarded for one of these new qualifications. See Section 3 above for a description of the 4 categories
of new qualification.
All personnel must obtain this new qualification by 4th July 2011.Re: Refrigeration ‘interim personnel certificate’
The gist is correct but that document is now out of date. Both DASA and the WTA have been approved by Defra/BERR to issue the certificates. At this time we are ploughing through the individual evidence of experience and will issue the certificates after midnight on 4 July 09 – the deadline.
So in the round you have a week to get the paperwork filled in and sent to Killy, or you will have to go on a 2078/79 to be legal.
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Confused dot com 😳
So you only need this cert. if you work on the gas side? NOT if you only work on the electrical side, stats, modules etc. Can you clarify this please?
I gave up on the re-gassing and replacing compressors side years ago as I found it not cost effective with only the odd compressor per year.Re: Refrigeration ‘interim personnel certificate’
maltheviking wrote:So you only need this cert. if you work on the gas side? NOT if you only work on the electrical side, stats, modules etc. Can you clarify this please?
Correct Mal.
You ONLY need this if you use a Freon gas, hence F Gas as it’s supposed to kill polar bears and we can’t be having that.
So, R600a is exempt.
But if you use R134a, any of the R12 drop ins, R22 etc. etc. then you will need certified, in more ways than one if you ask me. 😉
maltheviking wrote:I gave up on the re-gassing and replacing compressors side years ago as I found it not cost effective with only the odd compressor per year.
It can pay, but only on integrated and US refrigeration but most of the cheap freestanding tat that’s out there isn’t worth the effort or cost from our perspective.
Still worth it to insurers and manufacturers however but only as they don’t bump up the labour to reflect the effort required to do a pot change for the most part.
K.
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In the past when doing about 20 system jobs a week I have reclaimed the Gas using a recovery unit. When a van’s contents got stolen I reverted back to specialist Stirrup pumps called Rodger Rams. The reclaim cylinders would then get collected and i would be issued a form for the waste transfer.
I recently contacted my suppliers and they refused to collect the unused R12 and the reclaimed 134a as I had not purchased any gas for over 5 years and that I was required required to be registered before they could collect.
In the last year I got asked to do two 134a/ R12 systems so I do not want to invest money into training and perhaps replacing the Rodger Rams.
If I was to apply for an intermediate certificate would my application fail because I do not own a modern recovery unit?Any comments advice welcome.
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