Refrigeration Legislation (TAC)

[kwatt]

Let’s see if this works out…

This is the letter Ian sent to the Institute Of Refrigeration

Now off you pop and read that then I’ll past in the reply in the next post.

Thanks to Ian for doing this of course. 🙂

K.

[kwatt]

Re: Refrigeration Legislation

Okay, you done that yet and read Ian’s letter? If not, go back and bl00dy read it! 🙂

And the response was…

Miriam Rodway wrote:Dear Mr Dales

Thank you for your correspondence and for making contact with us. I had not heard of your organisation although we are in touch with the Domestic Appliance Servicing Association and Association of Manufacturers of Domestic Appliances. We would be delighted to work with you in the future.

You may be interested in the current Ozone Depleting Substances Regulation requirements on recovery of refrigerants such as R22 http://www.dti.gov.uk/innovation/sustai … 29091.html
And lay down standards of competence for engineers handling these refrigerants which applied from April last year.

There is also a set of F Gas regulations which will be setting standards for competence of those involved in refrigerant handling servicing and recovery of refrigerant from newer equipment containing R134a etc. I am attaching the agreed commission position (December 2007). This extensive training requirement goes somewhat beyond what the UK would consider reasonable for refrigerant handling for most engineers in the commercial sector, air conditioning installation and certainly for those involved in domestic equipment (which is covered by the service, maintenance and recovery requirements for equipment under 3kg – but not the leak test or labelling requirements). Again the best way to keep up to date is to review regularly the government pages for industry at
http://www.dti.gov.uk/innovation/sustai … 28889.html

I suggest that you also make yourself known to the Government departments who are drafting UK legislation to enforce the European F Gas Regulation which has now been agreed at a Commission level. DEFRA have been holding regular meetings with Stakeholders as publicised on their website over the past 24 months. Your involvement in future meetings will I am sure be welcomed although the period for consultation on the European proposals has now concluded. The next meeting is on Feb 28th at 2pm in Victoria Street, London. You need to get yourself on the BERR mailing list, but I will pass your details on by copying this email to Alan Morgan at BERR.

I should have some more information about qualifications which may affect your sector of the industry next week and will email you everything then.

Just for clarification I should explain that I work for the Institute of Refrigeration which is a learned body and professional association which accepts only individual members (engineers). But I am dealing with issues of qualifications etc on behalf of ACRIB the Board which represents many trade associations in the sector and runs a register of trained engineers. We would be very happy to have your organisation as a member of ACRIB which would help you to keep up with legislative developments etc. The current membership fee is £1785. If this is however outside of your budgets we can still keep you involved through our website or individual contact such as this.

I will contact you again next week with further details.

Regards

Miriam Rodway

ACRIB
Air Conditioning and Refrigeration Industry Board
Kelvin House, 76 Mill Lane
Carshalton Surrey SM5 2JR
tel 020 8647 7033
fax 020 8773 0165
http://www.acrib.org.uk

The attachment can be found HERE! (Word Document)

My vote is for Ian to continue as he’s intrinsically involved in this area and speaks with more confidence than any of us would in the field.

K.

[Alex]

Re: Refrigeration Legislation

Thankyou Ian, very contrite and much to the point. not lost in rhetoric and “Government Speak”

Hopefully by putting it in the manner you have they will not try & swamp us with stuff & nonsense. Keep up the good work.

Alex

[kwatt]

Buggery, put it in the wrong damn forum, sorry.

K.

[iadom]

Re: Refrigeration Legislation

Whilst I don’t do refrigeration work, the response from ACRIB sounds very encouraging, excellent work Ian.

PS. do we actually have 1300 members of the WTA?
Jim.

[kwatt]

Re: Refrigeration Legislation

iadom wrote:PS. do we actually have 1300 members of the WTA?

No.

But we do have >1300 trade members of UK Whitegoods. It’s how you spin the facts not what they actually work out or happen to be, I’m sure that was a quote from “New” Labour. 😉

K.

[kwatt]

Re: Refrigeration Legislation (TAC)

You will see the posts tonight on the TA forum as well as the Legal one.

Several reasons but the prime ones being that the more tell DAG et all to stuff off the better, the more that are aware the better, the details can be doled out n the TA forum if required and mostly, we’re the good guys.

It also does the TA no harm at all to be seen to be being proactive and taking the lead on things that affect us.

However this is now getting interesting as apparently DEFRA, the DTI, the OFT and CORGI are all in on this so it’s one I think we should pursue, it may well pay off, even if it is only to get our agenda and name before the powers that be. All in all very worthwhile methinks.

My thanks to Ian again who has managed to stir up a hornet’s nest on the subject in little over a week or two, excellent work, I couldn’t have stirred the $h1t better myself. 😀

K.

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