Smeg washer dryer conversions

[Lawrence]

Hi
Has anyone had cause to carry out the modification procedure on the new range of smeg washer dryers .
I have two machines at the moment both of which dance across the kitchen one of which is a m/c I exchanged last week for the same fault ,Serveast are suggesting I carry out the conversion,as per there 21 😯 page document that looks like it takes a day to do

Lawrence

[eastlmark]

Re: Smeg washer dryer conversions

First I have heard of it Lawrence but not the first I have heard having this problem, 21 pages! all English? Really looking forward to doing one. 😥

[kwatt]

Re: Smeg washer dryer conversions

I’ve not had one yet Lawrence, but I do expect to get one at some stage.

I’ve been told that the first one you do is a pig, after that they’re just little oinkers. 😆

Seriously though I am really glad at the moment that another agent has been getting all the calls in the “G” postcodes as we’ve fitted rather a few shall we say, to new-builds. There’s a story in that too, but another time.

K.

[Dave_Conway]

Re: Smeg washer dryer conversions

I’ve heard of it, we had 4 on one new site to do :eeek:

It entails changing the shock absorbers (that’s the easy bit) and the door boot which took over an hour and a half !! :haier:

Firstly, it did not work, secondly, if they insist on it being done, charge at least a double rate per appliance as they agreed to pay us this for them.

We still had to go back two weeks later and swap them all in the end for lower spin speed models 🙄

Dave.

[kwatt]

Hehe, I thought it was only me that would come to the conclusion that the high spin speed was unsuitable on many a wooden floor.

But what do we know, we only fix them. 😉

K.

[sparkey]

Re: Smeg washer dryer conversions

Just for information, all the latest Bosch free standing and build in washer dryers are rebadged Smeg’s they have the same dancing problem that they cannot resolve to the extent they are giving customers their money back to buy replacement machines of other manufacture

[kwatt]

Re: Smeg washer dryer conversions

Here’s the way I see things…

Customer buys a gazzilion rpm spin washer as they are led to believe, stupidly, that it will extract more water and hence lower the drying time in the dryer or on the line. Partially true but really a bit of a con all things considered as there are a lot of other things that factor into that equation besides raw spin speed.

As I had to explain (AGAIN!) to a customer today all about flooring as well as the suspension system in the appliance and how the vibration is dampened. It’s engineering 101 though really, if you put an object that vibtrates on something that is not rock solid then the vibration is amplified through the structure, it’s simple. See, my days in civil engineering were not entirely wasted on pub lunches!

So in the UK we’re fairly unique in that we have what is called flotation flooring, i.e. bits of wood that “float” across a span, in our case, wooden beams. Wood vibrates and wood also amplifies and carries vibration very well indeed and whilst you can dampen the effect you cannot eliminate it entirely, it’s just a structural fact. Of course the fact that they float, are nailed to a wooden beam that supports other panels (which also vibrates) and are usually tounge & groove joined to other panels only serves to heighten the effect.

Then we have the laminate flooring on top of wood, but that’s a whole other saga.

Also, my suspicion is that the excessive vibration is also causing the ABC controls to kick in early in some case as it tricks some of them into thinking that they are OOB, but I can’t prove it.

On two occasions I have asked a manufacturer if their appliances were tested on wooden floors, on both occasions the answer was no.

I first came across this problem years ago while Glasgow was getting a whole load of brownfield type sites done where they gutted the buildings and laid this type of flooring, it’s cheap you see. I have often seen pots being bounced off a cooker on the other side of the kitchen, ten feet away and there’s no fault with the washer!

K.

[Penguin45]

Just for info, Hotpoint put some stuff in the old Microprofile manual –

800 spin 56{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} extraction
1000 spin – 58{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} extraction
1400 spin – 62{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} extraction.

However you look at it, it’s down to fractions. This might be a cause worth pursuing (for the benefit of the public of course).

Chris.

[admin]

Re: Smeg washer dryer conversions

Since then Chris the extraction rate alters if the clothes are warmed during final rinse by the addition of hot water to that final fill.

I was always told 830 rpm was the greatest water loss point, after that the quantity of remaining water lessons at each stage ie 1000, 1100 meaning super fast speeds are not required for good water extraction, as the amount left is minimal. So a decent 1000 spin appliance is enough.

Worth noting that the bearings in an 800 spin are the same in the 1500 spin as we can all testify to the early failure rate of bearings. Though how much of this is down to the water seal failure?

On your percentages Chris, I assume that is the percentage removed from the start of the spin cycle, meaning an extra 4{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} for 400 rpm faster. Wonder what this translates to in terms of quantity(fluid ounces please..none of this litre crap).

Kevin

[kwatt]

Kev,

I saw the chart from AEG & Bauknecht before they changed out of German hands as well as a report from AMDEA at the time, the difference between 800 and 1000 is, literally, a thimble full of water. It is minimal, most of the difference is percieved by the customer in their heads I think. This was because of a debate that was raging at the time on the benefit of higher spin speeds.

I would wager that drying takes almost the same time after a 1000 or a 1400 spin in most cases.

As I said in the article I wrote there’s a load of other things that also factor in, like the water retention factor of the clothing, number of holes in the drum, the internal area of the drum surface and all sorts.

With the bearings, well tell me where we haven’t seen the quality cut in favour of pricing? 😉

Oh and Kev, we don’t do those old mumbo jumbo measurements, we haven’t for over 30 years! 😆

K.

[Penguin45]

Ken being so much younger than us Kev, that is of course a metric thimbleful. 😀

The extraction rate was measured after free water was pumped away IIRC and was done by weight.

Hot rinse? Remember all those shrunken clothes on the old 17 series Creda washer dryers? What a disaster THAT was………

Chris.

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