Testing or Bypassing Door Interlock

[squadman]

Re: Testing or Bypassing Door Interlock

Fairdeal It was not me who made the comment reagrding the statement that next we will be discussing how to fit a plug ! That was another poster who said that.

I think the point is that this is elementry stuff to the guys here who have with respect been doing the job a long time and are highly experienced and due to this they find questions such as yours somewhat surprising as did I.

I take on board your statement that you are a electrician and that sometimes simple things can be confusing. That may well be true but it is simple to make the necesary electrical tests to ascertain the polarity and correct connections of a door interlock using very basic electrical knowledge which you should have along with a VOM.

As a point of interest my brother in law is a Senior Electrician with no end of paper qualifications including HV qualifications and works on very large electrical projects such as making sure the new high speed international rail link has the correct electrical resources available along its entire length. He oversees a large force of sparks and has to have eyes in the back of his head. Why do I make mention of this ? Well recently he attempted to repair his dishwasher and ended up completely confused over what was a simple series and parallel circuit i.e a adavance timer motor and a heater element ( a case of resistance )

I walked in with a screwdriver and VOM and within two minutes had sourced the fault on his machine. He was gobsmacked that with his HNDs etc that he had missed this point, but it just goes to show that its each to there own and I would have as much chance of doing his job as he would mine !

I meant no offence to you Fairdeal but I would reiterate my earlier point as the others have said that you should really refrain from bypassing door interlocks which can only be described as a dangerous practice. 🙂

[admin]

Re: Testing or Bypassing Door Interlock

squadman :lesson: good point of view :tup:
But beginners have rights to learn and also others to explain… :offtopic: again, again and again until :rtm: 💡
(like words underneath)

[maltheviking]

Re: Testing or Bypassing Door Interlock

squadman wrote: I have seen engineers working without any kind of insulation tester ( i.e Megger ) and they have the same sort of attitude that it will probably be alright .

We have all seen this squadman, I would be a bit reluctant to call them “engineers” though. 😥 What also worries me is that there are people in this trade who cannot even use a basic megger correctly!!

I remember years ago a guy who came for an iterview for a job, the guy had been doing appliance repairs for a local shop, one of the questions he was asked was “How would you ensure that an applinace was safe after a repair” his answer ” I would open the plug to see if it was OK” 😯

[squadman]

Re: Testing or Bypassing Door Interlock

Of Course Baron you are right in so much that beginners have to learn and that we can assist where need be. My problem is not that someone may be a beginner and needs guidance but that these beginners may be working in your home ! When I started out in this trade some 15 years ago I worked at a local repair company but quickly saw that they had very little skill and knowledge of what they were repairing having themselves learnt by the trial and error route. They could not for example even test a pressure swith and their test for such a component was to blow it and if it clicked then it was ok.

I realised that I would learn very little in such a enviroment and was subsequnetly lucky enough to obtain a position with directly with a maufacturer and underwent high quality training for a considerable time after which I was allocated to two fully trained engineers the object of which was to gain the knowledge that they had built up over many years in real world situations, this time was also used as an improving module for me.

I learnt far more in a couple of years than I could have ever leanrt in the old company and my point is that although the manufacturers have cut back on the luxury of my training we were prepared for the everyday challenges that face the domestic appliance engineer and the skills that I procured there have stayed with me ever since.

There is of course no substitue for experience but you need to have the basic skills in place and be competent in there application before being let lose of the general public.

[admin]

Re: Testing or Bypassing Door Interlock

People like you said (without any basic knowledge and more …without any target to improve and enlarge inside there job-skills) will expose them selves to exclusion.
Not all have the guidance and luck (like you) to find from beginning a job with learning opportunity into professional environment. Someone must take all from “zero” and have to challenge major difficulties but for that they have to have, from my point, three thinks:
-basic skills in domain (at least good electrician which can read and identify a diagram and pieces rolls from it);
-patience and
-willing to learn forward (never said you “know all enough” because even this domain evolve).

For example my self: after finishing my schools I have worked in quit different domain and five years ago I decide to start one little business in white-goods area. I didn’t have a glue how even use one washer (I never had at home). But with perseverance and learning from others mistakes (“my employees”) I have understand quickly basic logic. From there only my personal skills and ability did help to improve my work.
In this moment I’m not service representative for any manufactures but all those representatives come to me in order to repair there electronics and to do one better diagnose. Sometimes they help me with there technical info because they have no ability to transpose them in practice. To be one service representative in Romania is more like just for surviving (it doesn’t pay much: 10 to 15 Euro/call, when all other prices are expensive: plant, bank, car, gas, employee, spare parts etc.) but they have technical info in background.

So give to all possibility to have the opportunity to start and only life and market will decide who gone “live or die” in this field. 8)

[squadman]

Re: Testing or Bypassing Door Interlock

Baron re-read this please :

Of Course Baron you are right in so much that beginners have to learn and that we can assist where need be.

This is taken from my previous comments and is clear for all to see.

However I have taken a closer look at what you have said and also I have now reliased that you are loacted in Romania which may explain you pattern of thinking.

I would imagine that things are very different in Romania as compared with England. I don;t know about the laws in Romania but here in England we have many laws and safety standards and as such we have to not only be aware of these matters but also adhere to them and although I am making this statement myself I am sure that many here would also subscribe to them.

Any comments I have made must be taken in context of the UK and I cannot speak for your situation as I know nothing about it.

I wish you luck with your new business and hope that it is sucessful, 😀

[admin]

Thanks and same to you…

PS: Laws related safety insurence are the same, I think, once we gain EU and about them I’m totaly agree with.

Baron

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