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Re: WEEE & Recycling
Its started :rolls:
From Bosch and Neff built in appliances today have announced price increases as from April the 1st.
The new prices reflects additional costs in relation to the introduction of the WEE regulations and our responsibility, as a producer , for historic waste.
Notification from Indesit Company too. As of April 1st all Hotpoint and Indesit branded refrigeration will increase as a result of the producers responsibility for WEE under the hazardous waste regs.Price increases vary on the box type but a tenner at cost is about average. Then later in the letter
The impact of the WEE regulation for the other product categories becomes applicable from July 1st, at this stage we are optimistic that for drying, washing and cooking products we will be able to balance the cost of recycling with the recovered value of scrap
Brilliant if it works out that way.
Don
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Best info sheet I’ve found for this is at: https://www.valpak.co.uk/docs/dts/dts_f … _feb07.pdf.
Important thing is to do something before 15th March when costs double!
For those of us doing less than £100k turnover of new appliances the cost is only £200+vat to join the take back scheme which means you are not required to offer instore take back until at least 2010.
Also for those who are in the FSB there is a discounted rate of £175+vat available through their website at:
https://www.fsb.org.uk/Phil
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Somebody has written that this is their understanding of the two options we have.
1. Join Valpak for £750 (depends on turnover, covers 3 years and goes up to £1500 after 15th March). This then allows you to direct customers to the local tip, as I do now for free! You wont be able to do that on 1st July unless you are a member. This gets rid of your WEEE obligation to take appliances back in store. Apparently the money collected by Valpak (who are not for profit and are the only company set up by the goverment) will go towards refurbishing tips.
2. Dont join just register that you wont be joining, you are then obliged to take back all WEEE on a like for like basis. It is then up to you to store it and then take the WEEE to a collection site where it will be recycled (funded by the manufacturer)It may be me being dense but what I still don’t understand, because nothing I’ve read yet seems to make this clear, even after reading the dti and valpak information, are these two points:
1] If I join the expensive scheme to relieve me of the burden of removing the scrap machine, and give the customer the statutory information he has to have, does he have to take the machine to the collection site himself, or can he phone up a waste carrier/AN Other and have it collected free-of-charge?
2] I’ve always taken the scrap machine away as part of the service when delivering a new one, and taken it to my local scrap metal merchant. If I take option two and don’t join the expensive scheme, and carry on doing what I’ve always done, can I take the scrap machine [if not to the scrapyard] to one of the new designated collection sites and leave it there free of charge, or will I be charged as i’m not a scheme member?
geoff
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I think the answers are:
1. If you join the scheme (note £750 is for t/o £100k – £1m, its about £200 for under £100k), all it does is allow you to pass the buck. i.e. give the customer the appropriate information such as to take it to their nearest tip, or to call their local council to come and collect it (who then take it to the tip). Some councils do this collection for free, others charge. Here in South Cumbria they charge for refrigeration but everything else is free (for now…..) Once at a council tip, the WEEE will then be collected and taken to one of the larger WEEE disposal sites. There will be no charge if the customer takes it to the tip. He can also phone AN other waste carrier who may or may not charge to collect (have a word with a local scrap dealer?). Basically, it gets you out of any further responsibility of staorage, transportation etc).
2. The main thing if you dont join is that you are then legaly obliged to accept back ALL like for like WEEE for free. i.e. for every washer, kettle, torch, PCB and even switch, catch etc you sell the customer can return to you their old one. You can charge them reasonable transportation costs if you collect it but if they bring it to you there can be no charge. It is then up to you to store and then dispose of them correctly – its your obligation to get the WEEE to an appropriate site, either take them to a scrap dealer (if they accept it FOC because of course there is some value in the old machine) or to one of the designated sites (which could be near, or miles away if you are in a rural situation like me). The only cost is your transport (and probably waste transport licence and maybe a storage licence although the enviroment agency say you can apply for dispensation from a storage licence). You can also get the proceesing site to collect the WEEE but they will obvioussly make a charge for that.
I am going to bite the bullet and pay up before the 15th – It doubles in price after that, allegadly. Valpak asure me that if the scheme goes T–s up and doesnt go ahead (for whatever reason – like no-one signing up!!), then the money will be refunded. Hmmmm. I won’t hold out too much hope on that.
Hope that helps.
TomRe: WEEE & Recycling
Thanks very much Tom, that certainly clarifies matters.
The only worrying thing is that at the beginning you say ‘I think the answers are…..’ :rolls:
I have a feeling that nobody at all, anywhere, actually knows the answers!
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I know. And i have had half a dozen emails from the DTI with very vague information 😕
You either join (and possibly put your head above the parapet opening up more legislation!) or keep your head down and hope that it takes a couple of years before everyone gets wise! The bigger you are, the more likely you should join up – I think!
I am still a bit undecided, £750 is no small beer, but i hate paying for anything with no obvious tangible benefit.
I dont think the majority of punters will wise up for at least a couple of years, but is it worth the risk? I really dont know.
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Well, my turnover is less than £100k so it’s not quite so much to lose if it all goes belly up. I”ll speak to Valpack tomorrow and make a decision then.
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Just be aware they charge £15 for card payment. If you print out a form to send with a cheque they are a bit naught and show the £15 card charge. Cross it off and ignore it!
When you speak to them, perhaps you can find out how many retailers have actually signed up. I think there are around 3000 independents in the UK, I bet less than 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} have signed up!!
Re: WEEE & Recycling
im really confused with this weee directive and im sure others are to.
how does the following fit in with the weee directive
i dont sell any appliances
i leave all old spares with the customer(its their property)am i expected to have a mountain of paperwork to reconcile every repair with a scrap part i dont take away?
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