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I love to keep some people guessing with the topic titles. :snigger:
Okay so a post in the mods forum about some employed engineers working for a certain company made me think a bit and I actually need some opinion here as I’m in totally uncharted territory…
Should employed engineers be allowed to join a TA?
Before you jump to any conclusions, consider that a TA’s job is to be, as already stated, as “inclusive as possible”. Does this rule out employed engineers?
My own opinion is that it doesn’t or shouldn’t as, when you think about it, a lot of you never mind the rest of the guys, started their career as an employed engineer and left to go it alone.
K.
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I don`t see why they shouldn`t be able to join but to be honest I can`t see any benefit for them doing so.
This TA I thought was for the whitegoods business and to give us a voice and if the company they work for joins then I don`t see a benefit in employees joining themselves. If, as you say, they then become self employed then that would be the time for them to join.
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“What we’ve got here… is a complete disrespect for the law” (Beauford T. Justice as I recall) was what I was expecting 😀 .
I can’t see why employed engineers shouldn’t join the TA. It’s a personal choice whether or not you choose to pay the subscription. Given that we said we’re not into offering “benefits” at this stage, we’re not looking at legal services directly with regard to employment issues or the like.
However, if people would like to receive informed opinion from a “respectable” source, the new TA could be just the vehicle for them.
Chris.
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Hi All
This TA I thought was for the whitegoods business and to give us a voice
As engineers employed or self employed are they still not part of the whitegoods industry?.
As employed engineers they at present probaly dont have anyone to mediate or complain to as if they are members of say general workers union does that union really understand the whitegoods industry ?.IMO no they dont.
The TA should be for anyone working within the industry even down to the office girls as it all comes down to the same family.
Bryan
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Hi Bryan,
I didn`t say they shouldn`t be allowed to join, in fact I said I don`t see why not. My point was that would they want to as I don`t see any benefit for them at the moment. As Chris said we`re not getting involved in employment law and the likes. We need to be offering benefits for them to want to part with their money and join and at the moment I cannot see what benefits we would be offering to employed engineers but I`d be happy to be proved wrong.
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If we want to represent the industry as a whole, we must ipso facto be inclusive of the industry as a whole. This includes, employeed engineers, manufacturers, spares suppliers, retailers and everyone else that can prove they are part of the industry.
I am sorry in advance to be basic and blunt about this but, the larger the membership of the association, the more likely our representation will be heard (and taken seriously) by those we need to convince to support our needs.
If we want a serious voice to be heard on matters such as regulation and WEEE (only an example) at government level, a membership of say 5000 members is more likely to be heard and listened too than a membership of 40ish like DASA.
We will have no chance on earth of gaining the support if we dont have membership so in my opinion restricting a very valuable and worthy section of our industry is quite abhorrent. Indeed these very people may well bring information, perspective and experience we lack so lets have them in I say.
Regards all
Jackal
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Ill add my name to the ‘open to all’ camp for all the reasons above….i just don’t see the point of creating a representative body then excluding part of the people it purports to represent.
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I am fully in favour of including all facets of the trade, it remains to be seen how the employers will react to their employees becoming part of a TA, the one example mentioned at the start of this thread seems to place a very low value on its field staff ATM.
Jim.
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iadom wrote:, the one example mentioned at the start of this thread seems to place a very low value on its field staff ATM.
Jim.
If people would read a post before jumping on the band wagon.
I said “I don`t see why they shouldn`t be allowed to join”.
What I`m getting at is why would they want to. What are we going to have to entice them on board? I can see benefits for businesses and why they would want to join but at the moment I can`t see what benefits an employee would get.
I agree with Jackal that 5000 members is better than 40 but we need to offer them something so that they want to be members.
To put the record straight…………… I`m for all joining
And as for placing a very low value on my field staff, well that would be difficult as I don`t have any. But in danger of becoming repetitive we need to offer other peoples field engineers benefits if we want them to join and if someone could tell me some of these benefits then I`m happy.
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Bazza,
Jim was referring to my comment, not yours at all. 😉
The comment was related to a certain manufacturer who we all appear to love and adore. 😆
K.
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Penguin45 wrote:“What we’ve got here… is a complete disrespect for the law” (Beauford T. Justice as I recall) was what I was expecting 😀
😳 Totally off-topic but…
From Cool Hand Luke: listen
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Brilliant!! Strother Martin as ‘The Captain’…………. I’ve recorded it as my TEXT ringtone..thanks! 😀
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The TA needs to be open to all in this industry, as everyone is going to approach the common cause from different perspectives. This will generate a larger pool of experience that will allow the TA to represent ALL forms of the domestic appliance industry from sole trader through to the large scale manufacturers.
We need to be an inclusive organisation; not an exclusive one, as DASA is. As was mentioned in an earlier post, the more members we have, the more clout we will have in the determination of our future.
Thanks, Ken for your efforts: so far so good……. 😉Steve.
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