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Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
Hoover, Shmoover, its a bloody Candy, and has been for almost 10 years, end off story. 👿
There is more Hotpoint in the Indesit companies Hotpoint than there is Hoover in Candy’s Hoover.
Jim.Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
I don’t recommend machines that I know to be crap.
I don’t recommend machines that I wouldn’t be prepared to have myself.If that means Miele as my recommendation then so be it.
If someone isn’t prepared to work on Bosch or Miele that’s their problem. All modern machines have ways to reduce third party repairs and interaction, whether it be through laptops, complete assemblies with prohibitive costs for the smallest of things or whatever.
The last thing I want is someone to turn round and moan my recommendation was utter rubbish and lasted 2 weeks outside the guarantee period then died beyond economical repair as that tarnishes my name too.As for Hoover, I would never ever recommend a Hoover even when they were made in Wales.
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i went to a miele recently the motor was burnt out i phoned up miele the motor was £230 to me how can i do a job at that price sold them a hoover.
ive been selling hoover machines for 15 years never had any major problems yes i know the doors fall off the 6 series but they fell off the hotpoint wm as well no great problem i know if they do break down i can fix it, i can get the part quickly at reasonable price, pattern spares are available (which i would never use unless absolutely stuck).
i wont be able to say when the hoover factories in the uk shut that it was because i recommended bosch or miele.
if bosch are so good how come the majority of posts are problems with bosch.
in the newer hotpoint machines the only thing hotpoint is the drums ive never seen a wma which either had the bearings changed or needed them changed.
i instaled some for powerhouse the bearings were noisy from day one.
i used to work in the bearings industry.
ive got a hoover machine and im proud of it.
candy took over hoover about 5 years ago.
with hoovers 5 year parts guarantee if it was ever a major problem i would get them to fix it and the customer pays the callout charge,
yes i know its £80-£90 but it means the machine can be fixed.Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
I’m an Independant engineer, i repair Miele, i am trained by them to do servicing on the range of appliances. Their training & the way they look after you when at training is second to none. They have good service support & share all technical info. Miele ARE very wary of people like us sharing their technology. They spend millions on research & make in MY view make the BEST product on sale. So i suppose i understand them wanting to keep it under wraps. It is a dearer product than all others but in MY view it is worth it. I work on Indeshit & Servis & all other makes also.
Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
I fix all makes of washing machine and there are few better than hoover but a hell of a lot worse.
Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
I’m an Independant engineer, i repair Miele, i am trained by them to do servicing on the range of appliances. Their training & the way they look after you when at training is second to none. They have good service support & share all technical info
Same here and i agree with you. I would work on their appliances all day everyday if i had the chance 🙂
Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
suedehead1 wrote:candy took over hoover about 5 years ago.
UK Whitegoods wrote:1995. Candy acquires Hoover European Appliance Group, which at the time was the European leader in vacuum cleaners with three production plants in Wales, Scotland and Portugal. Hoover was sold to Candy by Maytag who suffered colossal losses due to the infamous “Hoover Free Flights” promotion.
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K.
Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
Alright then, over 12 years ago, I know the last time I was able to get the yearly Hoover manual was in 1998. 😥
And in the Hoover machines of the past 7 or 8 years, the only thing Hoover is the name on the front as far as I can see.
It isn’t promoting Bosch or Miele that threatens what little is left of UK production, it is cheap Far Eastern production costs.
Jim.
Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
Far East is not neccessarily the threat that people think. Given that China is used as a satellite manufacturing base by discount UK kitchen retailers in the main, they buy cheap product. You want cheap? You get cheap – and – 80{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} first year failure. Haier…….. Realistically, it’s not their fault – they make what they’ve been asked to, at the price.
If you are prepared to pay, you can have what you want, to any standard you like. Superb or appalling.
Notwithstanding my deep objections to the PRCs human rights record, which is truly appalling, commercially they are not a real threat. When they they start to market over here in their own right and spot that gap between Bosch and Miele, then the European manufacturers are in trouble – because they’ll probably do it very well.
Boycott the Beijing Olympics by the way.
That was a personal, deeply felt and completely off topic comment, which I firmly stand by.
Chris.
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I’ll warn you in advance, at 1am on a Sunday morning I’ve had a drink. 🙂
China, as rightly point out by Chris is not a threat really at all on a commercial level for the reasons pointed out. They simply do as they are asked to do and this comes back to one of my favourite topics in economic terms which is, simply, cause and effect.
One day, perhaps in September I’ll explain a lot more on that, I’ve been meaning to do that for a while but now the shackles are off and I have the bit between my teeth on it I think it may be time.
Anyways you’re tackling the effect by attacking China, not the cause.
You have to stop for a minute and ask yourself, what fuels the demand that drives the economic “miracle” that is China?
The fact that China pumps out stuff like there’s no tomorrow, the fact that their human rights policy is, shall we say lacking, the fact that the environmental damage that their causing is nothing short of astounding and that their politics is, at best questionable is entirely irrelevant. Look to the cause, not the effect.
Instead of pointing the finger at China ask yourself who caused it.
The answer is evident at even a cursory look, we did.
Whilst Western societies demand low cost goods, whatever they may be, or corporations and companies want to maximise profit by sacrificing the morality’s of what they do then there will always be a “China”. Essentially the rise and rise of China and other developing nations, like India, South American countries and others is solely down to demand from the “developed” world.
China is unique in some respects, for example they couldn’t give a fig about intellectual rights/property or copyright due to the politics involved, that’s it.
What has piqued my interest in China is the fact that, not only has a lot of production been moved there purely for financial reasons, but that it is also being seen as an emerging market as the population gets richer. That is interesting as it means that, at som point, possibly in the not too distant future, the bubble will burst.
But, just like the rush to the Former Soviet States after the fall of the Berlin Wall, manufacturers will simply move on to the next cheapest labour region.
It’s just business. It’s just economics. It can all be explained very logically using cause and effect.
K.
Re: What’s this “recalibrate machine with a laptop"
Very soon their won’t be any emerging markets as they all want to have Western style money, lifestyles and trinkets. Only then will will the Euro makes realise the error of their ways.(and that would include the Eyro consumer especially the UK)
BTW…..I don’t think Bosch are in anyway a patch on their old machines as they too have followed the herd in seeling at a stupid price. I know Miele machines aren’t either what they where, but they are style the quality machine to have ofr realibilty and long life.
Just to make plain, I myself am independant and have been for the last 12 years. Prior to that I was 13 years at Zanussi (when they made a good quality mid-price machine).I don’t agree with the laptop requirement, but that still won’t stop me recommending them, all the makes are trying to find ways or restricting the independant .
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suedehead1 wrote:I fix all makes of washing machine and there are few better than hoover but a hell of a lot worse.
Well for you suedehead and respect also for your stance over Hoover products. :tup:
Many are ready to criticise the very idea but I, like you, take a more pragmatic view of Hoover. Furthermore I believe that instead of all and sundry continually slagging off various makes and models and taking pop-shots at those like you that stand up for the likes of Hoover. We should all get together more and share what information we may possess on those products. Who knows what may transpire as a result?
Slagging off this and slagging off that gets us where?……..Nowhere! :rolls:
Collectively over the years so many that can help, that can contribute, have left the site over the constant bickering and sarcasm that goes on day in day out.
For example: Mr X has an in-depth knowledge of Brand X and he comes on the site willing to contribute. He sticks his head above the parapet and makes it known his beloved Brand X is his speciality. Subsequently reads all the negativity and sarcasm over Brand X and decides not to put his head on the block any longer….. leaves the site forever. 😥
I have seen over the years so many do exactly that I really think it’s time we take a more conciliatory standpoint. After all said and done, who would be so stupid as to bite the hand that feeds….eh? 😈
Lets here it for Hoover…Hip! Hip!
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