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Elsewhere I am being told that Samsung, LG, Vestel and Currys Logik machines have non-sealed drum units, any idea whether that is true or not.
Samsung, new one I’ve no idea but some you can only get a complete rear tank for.
LG, as above but most I’ve seen thus far you can get the bearings or a rear tank.
Vestel, officially it’s all rear tanks only. Some bearings you can get unofficially.
Currys stuff is all branded, depends what it is as they are not all the same, many Chinese, some Vestel and so on.
K.
Ok this is how it is as of 2021 as far as is known to me in no particular order: non sealed tanked machines. Curry`s Logik, Montpellier, Haier, ProAction, Atlant, Bush, Haus, Holm, Russell Hobbs, Statesman, Curry`s Essentials, LG, Samsung, Ebac, ElectriQ, Electra, Some Bosch and some Siemens. Gorenje not sure, not commonly seen ( pronounced: Gorenya ), Sharp, Servis. Hisense. Amica.
NB. 1) Siemens, Bosch, Neff group and 2) Miele. 1) some are non sealed most will be sealed tanks what you do is find the model you fancy and go over to Bosch / Siemens / Neff parts websites respectively and type in the model number and that will show you whether it has a sealed tank or not. There are , of course thousands of models which is why I do not know. 2) unsure. But the entry level machines have a plastic type tank but whether it is non sealed I just do not know.
Additional notes. FIRST POINT: just because a machine is listed as having a non sealed tank only means that they are at least dismantleable which at least gives you a fighting chance. BUT some machines only officially list the rear half of the tank with the bearings pre fitted, Bosch included, Neff too ( part could be 230 quid !! ). But bearings are bearings ( well there are differing qualities ) so that is not so much of a problem but the oil seal might be a problem if a custom made part you cannot get as it might not be listed. It also depends upon how thrashed and so how trashed someone lets the machine become before they do the repair: for instance a machine in a terrible state with collaspsed bearings due to the design of the beaing housing can be impossible to shift the seized outer race because there is nothing to hit against since the outer race shell is stepped below the moulding hence only the rear complete half tank as one unit is officially available. The easiest machine to change bearings is Curry`s Logik so long as you catch it early, Samsung are fairly straight forward…..so long as you catch it early.
SECOND POINT: non sealed tanks beware of the drum spider! If drum bearings have disintergrated into shrapnel mode it usually takes out the the drum spider shaft. Out of the machines listed the Samsung and LG you can buy the spider and bearings I think from memory all the others, Bosch included, are complete drums with the spider. The point is this can all work out more expensive for someone than if their machine has a sealed tank! Some of those machines listed are imported by small importers so be very aware of parts non availability – I would be very surprised if you phone up one of these small importers that they would admit the truth that the parts are in fact unobtainable , only after the purchase would they then admit it ! So be careful.Proper Italian SMEG machines have split tanks. Unfortunately, they aren’t easy to find as most are rebadged Beko now.
Very true. I missed that one mainly because I do not repair them and so forgot. Thx Ted.
Anyone else like to add to this list feel free to do just that.Miele **ARE** using sealed tanks now and, they’re being, will we say, not nice on right to repair as reported here:
I know as I had one to review, 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}, they are using sealed tanks. Not a shred of doubt about it.
They will wriggle and obfuscate but, they are using them now. I suspect they don’t want potential buyers to know this.
(Read between the lines, it’s a legal thing, if you read the letter I got from Miele there you’ll get it)
Many of the low end one, sure you can split the tank but, only buy a rear half with bearings in it, no bearing kits and no details of what they use unless we’ve sussed it and built a kit for them.
K.
andyjawa wrote:
Thanks [USER=”19014″]andyjawa[/USER] for that very comprehensive list.
Of course the next question now is which of those brands listed have good spare part availability in the UK and at sensible prices?
Or to put the question differently, what brands of machine would an experienced Repair Technician consider buying for themselves in the UK at the moment?
ASKO only ever worked on one and that was years ago ( nice machine ), niche stuff then niche stuff now. Simple answer I do not know what the situation is now other than they are now selling them. I deal with ordinary every day machines not stuff over a grand. I suspect most of my customers have enough problems paying the council tax rather than blowing 1150+ quid on a washing machine with money they haven`t got, Christ this country is an expensive place to live, but I suppose we ain`t seen nothing yet!
If I was going to buy a new washing machine I would probably buy a 8kg 1400 spin Beko with a brush motor with a speed wash function. And yes it has a sealed tank but Beko sealed tanks, least to date, do seem to be longer lasting than most others but are expensive and seldom seem to be in stock ( Well that is just based on what I have experienced in day to day work. I have had a fair few Bosch tank failures at 4 to 5 years old, 1 was a couple with no children so that is even worse due to low usage ) whilst the cost of other spares are more reasonable (and available) than most other companies offerings at a similar price. The complete tanks however are not cheap but by the time they fail I should have got my monies worth. If I was to go for a non sealed tank machine maybe a Hisense with 2 year warranty all for just under 240 quid SO long as if it did throw a wobbler out of warranty the repair outcome on reflection would no doubt be a waste of me dosh because the spares supply is bad or I might even go and get a Bush, spares are not overly brilliant either. The point is, least with Bush is that they are cheap to buy and some of my customers have had them for 8 to 10 years with minimal grief and tears. I can tell you what I would not buy and that is Miele, high end Bosch Siemens or anthing expensive….no point me doing that in a hard water area and unless you had a softner or lived in a soft water area there would be no point anyone else doing that too..
Really when it comes down to it the answer is none of them which is unlikely to help you. Me thinks I`ll keep my 19 year old Hotpoint going a few years more yet, still get most parts for it which is more than you can say for the offbeat Chinese imported stuff such a Haier or gambling on a £1000+ machine of Nordics finest..andyjawa wrote:If I was to go for a non sealed tank machine maybe a Hisense with 2 year warranty all for just under 240 quid SO long as if it did throw a wobbler out of warranty the repair outcome on reflection would no doubt be a waste of me dosh because the spares supply is bad
Hisense are currently offering a 5 year warranty on selected machines but due to their crap website I can’t see which machines this applies to. Nor can I can what the terms and conditions of said warranty is.
Me thinks the EBac 8kg machine (with 1600 spin) is beginning to sound like the best option, at least that has a good 7 year warranty, hopefully.
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