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I read with interest cookerfit’s post on fitting cooker hoods now being regulated, How long will it be before we have to be Corgi registerd to repair appliances I think the time has come to set up our own team to look into this , you can bet that Corgi are allready lobbying the government to let them take control of our industry how about Whitegoods getting in first before it’s too late. I’m 58 this year so I haven’t got too long before I retire I dread to think what this trade will be like in ten years time that is if it still exist’s
BassmanRe: Will we be regulated by Corgi?
Why would you need to be a registered gas installer to repair a washing machine? I suppose refrigeration could be put onto Corgi.
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I’m not a fan of the way Corgi spend endless hours trying to figure out another money making way of ripping their registered installers off instead of chasing those who are unregistered.
I do think that anyone who works on cooking appliances, or any electrical system, should have enough grounding, based on some form of certification to provide them with enough knowledge to do their work safely and not compromise the safety of others.
While those who aren’t “certified” should be rigorously pursued to protect those who day pay for whatever license is requiredRight now off the cuff, and this is just a blase out of the blue guess, how many Non Corgi Gas installers of cooker hoods would even think about looking at the manufacturers instructions of the gas hob below to find out the required minimum height clearance, or, know of the top of their head what the minimum height clearance requirement for the hood would be without the manufacturers instructions.
So at present, if my assumption above is correct, they would place it at what they deem to be the correct height
The the poor old customer who has paid you good money to install this hood, then complains about an odd smell coming from the gas hobMr gasman turns up, finds flame lift on the burner when the hood is in use, creates the formation of aldehyde gases.
Nothing wrong with the hob, nice bill to the customer , at risk warning label, sop she cant use it anymore, all because the hood installer didnt have minimum required grounding.
I know thats a bit of an exaggeration, but the overall point i am trying to make is still there.
Or how many who work on washing machines etc, have an Earth loop test meter, or check the earth continuity of the appliance.
My guess, probably most have a megger, certainly all with have a multimeter.In my experience i have come across a multitude of “Cowboy’d I knew what i was doing scenarios, which causes me nothing but paperwork, all because someone who thought he knew what he was doing, actually didnt.
6mm cable wired directly from the built in oven to a cooker point that should have been 2.5mm and a 13 amp fuse, or vice versa
and my own opinion, although some form of certification doesnt actually mean, he did the job right, it does mean he knew how to do the job right.
Overall, i am all for certification of some form, but it should ensure the following.1) Ensure things are done safely
2) Train those who are certified to a minimum standard with a basic understanding of affiliated systems
2) Stop those who arent certified from carrying out that work
3) Allow them to charge more money for their greater knowledgeRe: Will we be regulated by Corgi?
The answer my friend is to join [size=18]DASA[size=18]
Bill Ellis :scot:
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No.
Is the answer to the title.
However we will be regulated, not immediately, but certainly within the next 10 years.
Whitegoods has already written to the government regarding the funding of training, but we still await the 1st meeting on this subject.
We already have a qualification for Level 2 NVQ, this would cover many aspects of our trade, including installation. Once gained it can not be taken away. At this moment it is the governments wish to increase the NVQ uptake within the uk’s skill base. As far as our trade is concerned we do not fall within the footprint of the governments remit of training, this is what whitegoods is trying to address.
Corgi, will not oversee refrigeration whilst acrib is around.
The answer is certainly not to join DASA, to solve the problem. The real answer is to solve the funding problem of getting the NVQ level 2 training. If DASA can solve that, then join.
My personal opinion is that the funding should come from the consumer. those that buy appliances should expect the price of the appliance to include a trained service network to repair them (should they go wrong 😆 )
Therefore the funding problem is how to get Manufacturers, insurance companies and work providers to chip in to the training requirements of their networks, when they are hell bent on making profits?
Having said that, some like D&G are massively interested in this subject but can not go it alone, they and we (UKW) need help.
It would take all insurance companies to sign up for investment to happen, for one could not do it alone. How do you crack that nut when they compete for every inch of business?
I don’t mean to be disrespectful Bill, but Dasa is incapable of solving the puzzle, as are we at UKW at the moment. The difference being we are trying to!
Kevin
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Having just resat my ACS (reassessment), I have many concerns with the “training and assessment industry” that has sprung up with certification.
To make sure I did not struggle too much, I visited my local main library and studied the latest British Standards.
At the assessment centre, I found that BS’s available for open book questions were completely out of date. Questions for open book related to previous standards now superceded – nothing on the new BS on pipework and sizing, nothing on the recent BS on Cookers and nothing on last years revision of LPG. Certain questions revolved around LPg Technical Memorandum 62 (TM62) which was withdrawn last year.When queried, I was told that the problem was the prices of BS’s to buy!!
It all revolves around money!! even at the prices an ACS assessment centre charges – around £600 for assessment only ( no training) for core, cookers and LPG.Yep, I got the certification but does it mean I’m safe to work on the current standards as they are applied……
Cookerfit
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who will regulate us? who will pay for it ? what product will it cover? how will it be enforced? what about cross over faults (faulty plumbing/electrical inst causing appliance fault)? what about second hand product (private sale included)?
with cheaper and cheaper prices and more reliable product us dwindling band of mostly self employed mostly older workers that find it ever more difficult to make a living will not be able to make a living at all. city areas might generate enough work to offset costs but the poorer more remote areas would not support or tolerate the added costs. than theres DIY repairs, is there an MOT system to be brought in ? are we to be prohibited from selling spares? (ouch!)
then theres WEEE…………………………………….wilf
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Bill wrote:The answer my friend is to join DASA Bill Ellis :scot:
Why Bill ?
LawrenceRe: Will we be regulated by Corgi?
I think, in line with everything else it seems, that some form of controls are almost inevitable in time. How long it will take to come along is anyone’s guess really as is who would maintain and police such a system.
Already the gas industry is regulated, the building industry, now the sparks… who’s next, as I very much doubt that that’ll be the end of it?
Already there’s moves to introduce standards into the car servicing and repair business, the media has already started that ball rolling.
There’s enough organisations and quangos out there to do it already, although knowing this government it wouldn’t surprise me if they came up with yet another, in the form of CORGI, Trustmark and a host of others if you go looking.
K.
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I don’t mind taking a few exams etc. but the costs will have to be added to the customers repair bills so more of them will opt to buy new and less will pay the increased repair cost. This in turn will mean the extra costs are spread over less jobs etc etc. A customer told me today that she was quoted £89 callout by the manufacturer to look at her Creda tumble drier. I dare say not many members of the public are willing to pay that sort of money so in practice the repairers are mostly only doing manufacturers or extended warranty work, especially on tumble driers. If my overheads go up to the point that I have to charge that sort of money I know for a fact that work will be vary scarce.
Kinda.
Manufacturers will either have to pay more to compensate or train their own and find the finance for that from somewhere. So, in theory, the playing field should remain reasonably level.
Until you introduce the people that don’t comply and undercut, in effect breaking the law like the whole CORGI thing, which is why it would required to be policed.
But coupled with WEEE, which I don’t think the costs of which have been thought through at all, it would have to push retail prices up.
But without a crystal ball there’s no way to be sure what’s round the corner.
K.
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