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Re: March 2014 Conference
they are based in yorkshire?and im from cardiff.what is this about?i dont get it?
Re: March 2014 Conference
hello bob
yes thats why im asking as i want an indication to what it does before i book hotel and take time off work ect and so far thats all i can see is discount club and adhoc work.
i am a niceic member and we do lots of training and certification ect.i am just trying to work out what this would do for me exept get me discounts because thats just like a loyalty club.Re: March 2014 Conference
jamieparrie wrote:and im from cardiff.what is this about?i dont get it?
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jamieparrie wrote:hello k so its not a commercial contract,it is just ad hoc also as there is not any tendered contract?so they could play off workers and move workers as no tender was awarded?and then i guess it will be a lower pay than a normal customer so it is doing work at less pay with no security?
Sorry, what part of that’s between the repairer and the client that was difficult for you?
I can’t answer you because I am not privy to those arrangements, quite rightly so as it’s none of my business or the WTA’s either for that matter.
jamieparrie wrote:so let me get this right.for 70 pound we get discounts club stuff and we get work with no actual tendered contract which gives no stability?and you dont do any training or certificates ect?
I do believe that those points were answered previously but, if that’s your opinion then that’s your opinion and perhaps it isn’t for you.
K.
Re: March 2014 Conference
jamieparrie wrote:i am a niceic member and we do lots of training and certification ect.i am just trying to work out what this would do for me exept get me discounts because thats just like a loyalty club.
Uhm, perhaps I’m being a bit dim here or, perhaps just a realist but NICEIC training all comes at a cost and, it’s a pretty hefty cost as all the course I’ve looked at are £300 an upwards for each module. There’s lots of modules.
Then there’s the small matter of the almost £300 assessment fee to see if you can join. Then the £500 per annum subs. So, £800 just to get started.
Against what the WTA charge of a mere £70, just a slightly different kettle of fish wouldn’t you say?
K.
Re: March 2014 Conference
hello k its because i spoke with a firm that wanted me to do work on there terms and at realy low pay so i was trying to find out if work through this is different.by your answers its not so to me you are right it wouldnt be for me if only for discount club.
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hello k.niceic is recognised throughout the country and the many many many customers we get are from niceic direct at full charge rate so i get a lot more than discounts.yes training costs but it does no matter what job you do.when i asked about training,it was a good thing if you did even if you charged so i am not being funny but it should do it.like i said i would be interested if there was training as i would send some engineers.
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If you are attempting to draw comparison of what you get for over seven times the cost from someone else and expecting the same level of whatever for that price then no, it probably isn’t for you.
What deals you do or not with whoever are your business.
Perhaps you’d be better to use the money to sign up to checkatrade.com as they advertise on TV and radio or one of the others as that is more apt for electricians I should think. I get the impression that’s what you’re looking for as clearly the NICEIC is way beyond the scope and remit of the WTA.
As for training, as Lawrence said, it’s manufacturer only in general or specific to a brand but of corse you can get general training from the likes of Dixon Training if you wish, at a cost just like NICEIC training.
K.
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No problem.
When you look at the WTA and what it does, the work it has gotten a lot of the guys and so on let aside the discount thing, it’s damn good value for money when you compare against the NECEIC you’ve mentioned as well as others.
Here’s just a few examples….
Checkatrade, £10 a week plus VAT minimum.
NEIEIC we’ve already looked at but, more or less the same cost or less.
Ratedpeople, findagoodone, jobsorted, checkedandvetted…
There’s slews of them out there, all seem to be more or far more expensive and, quite probably, deliver far less in real terms. Glitz perhaps, substance… maybe.
K.
Re: March 2014 Conference
hello k.im just finding it hard to see wat 70 pound will get me apart from discounts.even if you got us some work offers,unless it was a tender style offer,we wouldnt do it as pay to cheep and they want to much for the low pay.
in electrical trade we tender for work with housing associations,builders ect and we put forward our best rates and terms then they chose one and sign a duration contract.here,it seems to be the other way around.which is messed up.i had one firm say to me that if a machine gets exchanged then we get 20 pound.even if not our fault.needles to say we said no thatnks but reading this i thought you might have had a different way like tendering so everyone makes there own terms and then competes for work.
although niceic is a lot of money its a recognised body and they help with certificates ect aswell as provide jobs at charge rates.so to me,i could make the few hundred pound in one job.but with this and only having discount club,i wouldnt get my money back as i wouldnt want the work unless it was tendered or contracted legaly.
and to the person above me that said me and national appliance care were in cardiff,i just double checked,there in wakefield yorkshire so you are wrong.Re: March 2014 Conference
We’re not the electrical trade.
Comparisons to that generally will not apply. If you do, the WTA looks to be supremely good value for money. In fact, it’s a heap cheaper than most anything else you can do as an appliance repairer for the return IMO.
You make your own terms, it’s not up to anyone else to dictate that for you or, you end up with costly exclusive clubs like the NECEIC, Gas Safe and so on. It’s up to you to decide the merits of each contract and whether it’s for you or not.
Or you go down the road of all these “referral” sites (there’s scores of them) that are, so far as I can see, in large part a bunch of chancers trying to cash in on people that aren’t internet aware or savvy. They prey on fear, the fear of traders not knowing what they’re about online and the fear consumers have of getting bad traders. Then charge to alleviate those fears, even if they do not.
All the WTA can do is deliver the genuine leads whenever and wherever they can, the rest is on you.
If you don’t feel that delivering those leads, leaving out things like discounts, showing the true nature of things and all the other stuff, is worth £70 a year then, as I said, it might not be for you and best of luck to you with whatever you chose to spend your money on.
K.
Re: WTA & Conference Chat Thread
jamieparrie wrote:hello k.im just finding it hard to see wat 70 pound will get me apart from discounts.even if you got us some work offers,unless it was a tender style offer,we wouldnt do it as pay to cheep and they want to much for the low pay.
in electrical trade we tender for work with housing associations,builders ect and we put forward our best rates and terms then they chose one and sign a duration contract.here,it seems to be the other way around.which is messed up.i had one firm say to me that if a machine gets exchanged then we get 20 pound.even if not our fault.needles to say we said no thatnks but reading this i thought you might have had a different way like tendering so everyone makes there own terms and then competes for work.
although niceic is a lot of money its a recognised body and they help with certificates ect aswell as provide jobs at charge rates.so to me,i could make the few hundred pound in one job.but with this and only having discount club,i wouldnt get my money back as i wouldnt want the work unless it was tendered or contracted legaly.
and to the person above me that said me and national appliance care were in cardiff,i just double checked,there in wakefield yorkshire so you are wrong.I would suggest that maybe you should invest the £70.00 in some other form of learning and then when you have achieved the required level re look into joining the wta, you may find that it will become a little clearer as to what you’ll get for your money.
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lee8 wrote:
jamieparrie wrote:
hello k.im just finding it hard to see wat 70 pound will get me apart from discounts.even if you got us some work offers,unless it was a tender style offer,we wouldnt do it as pay to cheep and they want to much for the low pay.
in electrical trade we tender for work with housing associations,builders ect and we put forward our best rates and terms then they chose one and sign a duration contract.here,it seems to be the other way around.which is messed up.i had one firm say to me that if a machine gets exchanged then we get 20 pound.even if not our fault.needles to say we said no thatnks but reading this i thought you might have had a different way like tendering so everyone makes there own terms and then competes for work.
although niceic is a lot of money its a recognised body and they help with certificates ect aswell as provide jobs at charge rates.so to me,i could make the few hundred pound in one job.but with this and only having discount club,i wouldnt get my money back as i wouldnt want the work unless it was tendered or contracted legaly.
and to the person above me that said me and national appliance care were in cardiff,i just double checked,there in wakefield yorkshire so you are wrong.I would suggest that maybe you should invest the £70.00 in some other form of learning and then when you have achieved the required level re look into joining the wta, you may find that it will become a little clearer as to what you’ll get for your money.
Well said lee8, i was getting dizzy reading the above posts. 😆
Re: WTA & Conference Chat Thread
jammie if you need to ask then its not for you – stick to electrical work , dont try to good at every thing you will spread yourself to thin , appliances these days are a minefield of tech , parts and lots of knowledge which you cant just buy into ,
for me the wta £70 if well worth it ive seen the network that in can provide and the many benefits it brings .
coming from another industry that works differently i can see how you may be miffed at £70.00 fee but as i said if you need to ask – then you dont know enough about the appliance industry.
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