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Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
White van man,
Its good to see that after your time in Japan you are now back on Terra Firma again – fixing simple good old fashioned washing machines. Its what your good at !
Now thats something to be proud of. 😀
Oh yeah, by the way, congratulations on your attainment of a HNC, you’ve even surprised me. Pity its only classed as toilet roll in the real world. Well done all the same !Swish swosh…..whats that I hear…..a poorly washing machine waiting for your attention. Off you pop !!
Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
I suppose your all baffled by anything thats not a pump, a digital switch or a soap tray !!
The fact is that you fix very simple devices that have a couple of inputs and outputs – very basic stuff.
Don’t forget to add the soap to your washer when your mending it !! 😀
Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
In answer to Farmboys quote **But all those components you mention are electrical components. Could your electrician correctly locate the fault on a washing machine that overfills or would he dive straight in & change the control module?
You wouldn’t call an electrician to fix your washing machine, nor would you call a plumber and you certainly wouldn’t call in a mechanic so “white goods men” need experience of all 3 areas.
A washing machine isn’t just electronic controls, there are mechanical components like bearings and there are various water components, valves, hoses etc.
To quote the collins dictionary:
“ENGINEER – a person who repairs and maintains mechanical or electrical devices”That’s us.**
Ok right……The industrial electrician will carryout the following work and more:
Install, repair & fault find on AC inverter drives including set up of intenal programmable parameters to suite the application. The motor application could anything from a conveyor line to a large pump – from tiny units found in the washing machine to large industrial pumps upwards of 500KW. Including removal of such motors and refitting and balancing output shafts.
Strip down of AC & DC motors including bearing changes, brush changes, field winding fault finding, friction issues – overheating, etc
Fault finding on all ranges of heating systems from basic trace heated pipework heating systems with digital and analogue control to furnace & kiln heating control. This would include all aspects of thyristor burst firing techniques to simple digital contol. Fault finding on thermocouple heating controls including thermocouple selection, compensating cable selection and A-D converters. This would include the 4-20 mA instrumentation loops that these devices use to connect to the outside world
Fault finding on all aspects of chart recording devices connected to such instrumentation.
Fault finding on differential pressure cells and instrumentation loops. This would include removal of such devices and reconection to instrumentation pipework.
Fault finding on analogue and digital flow measuring devices measuring liquid and gas flow. Setup and fault finding on process flow control valves, for both simple digital to more readily found analogue. This would include all pipework connections to remove/refit.
Fault finding on PH measuring equipment including strip down and overhaul of sensor heads.
Fault finding and setup of analogue and digital liquid level devices from basic conductivity probe setup to complex ultrasonic and “tuning fork” types. This would involve all analogue control loops backwards from the sensor head.
Fault finding on digital and analogue pressure detection systems.
Fault finding on all types of transducers and all contol circuits.
Fault finding on complex PLC control systems from basic ladder logic programs to complex statement list logic for high speed applications. PLC’s could be of the >500 input/output configuration.
All this and more, yet he is still the electrician, not the engineer.
Paul.
Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
You guys repair appliances, right?
An industrial electrician will also repair industrial equipment i.e PLC controlled automated process equipment, 4-20Ma instrumentation loops, SCADA control, MAXIVIS control etc etc. Their work will involve repairing level probes, flow meters, motors, contol systems, power control etc etc
OK so far…..
Right the electrician is not the engineer…the engineer is the person who is brought into the equasion for the more complex redesign and corrections to problematic design/process problems.
Surely the roll of the white goods man similar to the electricians – Maybe slightly less due to the simple nature of the appliances compared to a complex industrial contol system on say a large chemical plant process.
The electrican is not refered to as the engineer, yet the white goods man is?
Why?
Dave
Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
Kwatt,
What planet are you from ??
You are a washing machine repair man who is confused with engineer status !! Don’t get above your station pal !
You state that you’ve never bother with all that Institute stuff. I’m not surprised, you are not qualifed to such a level to be admitted to an instutute.
The nerve of some people.
Regards
Dave
Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
Hi All,
I have to agree with Mike here..Sorry guys.
I’m a Mechanical Engineer IMechE with masters degree qualifications and many years of training to gain entry to the Institute of Mechanical Engineers.
I think Mike may have been abrupt with the way he has put his point across, but he is correct in what he says regarding engineer status in Europe & UK.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Dave
