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Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
I thought Chezza was joking to be honest.
I’m not on anyones bandwagon, stop being so bloody needy and sensitive
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
You are deluded with you own self importance.
I came here because I had a fault, not because I enjoy talking about broken fridge freezers, I have a life.
I did offer something back by posting my silly mistakes hoping no one else would do the same by making the same mistake.
I am genuinely flabbergasted by how you have reacted to this. If you track back on my posts you will see I thanked you openly on the forum, and as you know I did this also on email. I never pretended to be an expert, if I was I would never have openly admitted I fitted the cap the wrong way round.
Your gripe seems to be I didn’t name check you when I posted the fix on the blown resistors. Big deal, get over it, life is too short.
We all know you that you are the expert on these fridges, but so you should be, it is your job, and you have a nice ebay business off the back of it. As for me, I pick a soldering iron up when I need to so have no issues in knowing you are better at it than me, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest, and never claimed to be an expert, my posts on my mistakes are evidence of that. I suspect however you wouldn’t be able to do my job with a couple of hours research on an internet forum.
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
broddersbaldrick wrote:Good afternoon to all
Justino What got to me was, the fact you published the ‘blown resistor’ issue and I scarcely got a mention.
I felt I deserved a little more credit for the hours helping you, not only pinpoint your fault from hundreds of miles away but, then helping you decide what component you should use.
I guess the fact you didn’t use the resistors I mentioned and you soldered yours in your fashion is neither here nor there.Brodders
What has got to me is your massive over reaction to a nothing issue. Everyone knows you are very knowledgeable, but why do you need to feel you have to be told so all the time??
I too was very grateful for your help, and thanked you accordingly privately on email, but you haven’t mentioned that. Perhaps you would set the record straight for others here.
I posted my experience not to take claim as you think, but to genuinely warn people not to make the same silly mistake. I was proud of my soldering skills, not the ability to trace the fault caused by my own lack of skill/patience. Hardly the actions of someone showing off.
I thought I had used the resistors you suggested and by your suggested method (I can’t be bothered to look at my old emails to confirm) so haven’t got a clue what you are on about now. Apologies for not blowing smoke up your ass every time I post on here.
The other bit I don’t get is why you thought I should tell everyone you were in Kuwait for 3 months?? It would have been very reckless of me to do so, but you have openly criticised me for not doing so, very strange.
You do a good job here, don’t spoil it by having a tantrum over nothing.
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
So Broders, you are lurking but haven’t bothered to reply to my post above or email. I am still puzzled why you think I should have told the whole world that you were going to Kuwait for 3 months. They would have been queing up to burgle your house!
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
Mike
I agree with everything you say, Brodders seems to have taken exception to my last post, which i fail to understand. The most puzzling is he thought I should have announced on the board that he was away for 3 months. Not knowing whether his house was empty, of if someone could work out where he lives, I decided that it was not for me to tell everyone he was in Kuwait for obvious security reasons.
Justin
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
mikeyg1967 wrote:Brodders,
I read sadly your last post, and felt compelled to join this forum and post a reply. I bought your kit and fitted it a few weeks ago and my fridge now works like a dream. I had a bit of a panic when I thought the fridge would not work when I turned it on, and called you – where you advised that this is normal and after 15 minutes the compressor will kick in – which it did.
As far as I am concerned you are an absolute star who saved me a fortune, and have provided an excellent service to me, and reading through this thread to many other people. I am saddened that your help has not been fully appreciated and you have become disillusioned to the point where you wish to give up. I hope that you do not, however respect your decision.
Many thanks,
Mike
Mike
Brodders help was appreciated, I told him so in many emails. He has misunderstood my earleir post with photos above. He thinks I am trying to take the claim for fixing the blown resistors. The fact of the matter is I was daft enough to fit a capacitor in reverse polarity that blew the resistors, so I’m hardly trying to portray my self as a genius. I explained this fully in my last post and have emailed Brodders to explain further, but haven’t had a reply.
Nice link to the ebay advert!
I can do no more.
Justin
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
broddersbaldrick wrote:Hi Shaun1878,
thank you very much for the mention.
In Mid January I had a job offer in Kuwait helping the Americans with their comms; so couldn’t spend the time helping people as I had done.
I met some very nice and friendly people here.
I was disappointed to pop home to the uk and find I had been taken off the mailing list from this forum.
I was more disappointed to see that a guy whom I’d been helping for hours and hours over Christmas didn’t mention I was out of the country neither did he mention how he so cleverly found he had blown up 2 signal resistors on the edge of his front board.
I helped him because I felt partially responsible for him not knowing an electrolytic capacitor with a minus marked on it is polarity conscious and would blow up his board if fitted back to front!
I’ve also had private messages from a retail company asking for me to diagnose problems with a few faulty units in their workshop!
This forum wasn’t a trade forum was it?
For all these recent reasons I am stepping down and will let others have a go.
Thank you to all I have met.
Regards BroddersbaldrickBrodders is referring to me.
I’m a bit flabergasted with the comments as I had thanked him many times personaly over email. In fact on the 9th of Jan I ended an email saying ‘Can’t thank you enough for the help and guidance’
I hadn’t posted on the board he was going to be away abroad as it wasn’t for me to advertise this fact for obvious security reasons. If he had wanted to tell people this it would have been easy enough for him to do. Imagine if I had said he was away for 3 months, and his house had been broken into whilst away.
On page 40 I posted up my experience in the hope that someone else doesn’t make the same silly mistake. I wasn’t trying to claim any bragging rights that I knew what I was doing. I’m sorry I didn’t reference Brodders who guided me through this, and it wasn’t my intention to claim I had discovered all this my self at all. If I’m daft enough to forget about polarity of an electolytic capacitor, I’m hardly going to be able to work out which resistors need replacing, and which ones to buy.
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
StephenB wrote:
A word of warning – don’t “hot plug” the front board with the mains power on. You can get some sparking, and in my case I got a “CF” error. I found that 2 resistors (220ohm marked 221) near the 3 pin connector had gone open circuit. These are the data connection to the rear board and replacing them fixed it.
My understanding is that when the fridge is turned on, the front board tries to communicate with the back board. If it doesn’t get any response in about two minutes, it flashes CF and beeps. I think the back board then operates in a failsafe mode and sets to -18C / 5C and operates the fridge normally (but the controls don’t work)
This is the problem I had, I blew both these tiny ferrite bead resistors, not by hot swapping the board, but by in fitting the electrolyte cap in the wrong polarity, C3 I think on the front board.
They can be repaired but are very small. I have fixed mine and now all is well so very pleased. R58 and 59 on the picture below. You can just see the new resistors on top of the blown black ferrites.
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
Just a word of caution to those replacing the electrolytic capacitors, C3 on the front board, and I think C2 on the rear.
Unlike some of the other capacitors which require changing to fix these Whirlpools, C3 and C2 must be fitted with the correct polarity.
I have found this out too late, only discovering the small printed positive on the circuit board and the ‘-‘ printed on the capacitor after I had made the swap and discovered a new fault. You have a 50-50 chance of getting it right if you don’t know this, but sods law I had mine the wrong way round having swapped C3 on the front board.
I have stopped the clicking and the ice maker etc now work fine, but after 3 or 4 minutes I get a CF display which Brodders kindly tells me is a communication failure between the front and rear boards, and the ice etc stop working.
I now have a new cap the right way round, but the damage may have been permanent. Fitting an electrolytic cap the wrong way round can cause a short circuit, and fry the power supply. I’m hoping this may be a simple fix of replacing a resistor, but if not I will have to live with the problem of no ice, not being able to vary the temperature from -18 or 5 (the default it goes to if communication is lost), but at least I don’t now have any clicking.
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
Last night I decided to have ago at swapping out the capacitors from the front board. I had the flickering display, clicking buzzer, no ice machine and flashing light when using the water dispenser.
I used the 2uf capacitor from the bitsbox website having read here that 2x 1 uf capacitors in parallel worked for others.
I have had a partial success.
The clicking is now reduced significantly, no longer is it like a machie gun, but it is still clicking.
I have left it over night, and the ice machine has produced ice, and dispenses it. I have also discovered that the fridge was in vacation mode before, but now I have been able to switch it back to normal mode, previously pressing this button had no effect. I can now set the fridge temperature also.
Also I can now put the fridge in standby and turn back on, as previously it wouldn’t always turn back on easily, and would require a few hours of pressing the button to get it back on.
With hindsight it probably needs the 2.2uf capacitor as the flickering suggests the capacitor is under spec.
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
Hi BB,
Great, that makes it a much easier fix. I suspect that I may have a rear cap failure also as the ice maker doesn’t work, but I can live with that for the time being until I can get round to dragging the fridge out. Curing the clicking is the priority at present.
Justin
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
Hi BB,
If it just the front caps which are at fault, then you are correct. Doing the back board will be a full days effort by the time I have extracted the fridge due to how the kitchen was designed by the previous owner.
From what you say it suggests you think it is the front board caps. Is that correct?
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
Hi BB
What is the buzzers use? If it is not needed in normal operation what is teh downside of disabling or removing it somehow?
Justin
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
Hi bb, thanks for the quick reply.
In normal operation what does the pizzo buzzer do?
Justin
Re: Whirlpool American Fridge Freezer broken down – help!
I’ve got the chattering front relay problem in a new house where we bought the fridge as part of the deal.
I’ve read this thread with great interest, and find the level of effort and ingenuity that has been spent on this problem mind blowing. Whirlpool should be truly ashamed.
Part of the reason the fridge was left when the house was sold is due to the difficulty in moving it as a radiator stops it sliding out unless you remove a door.
Whilst I fully intend to replace the capacitors, I don’t want to do this before Christmas in case of a mishap and the difficulty in getting to the back, so in the meantime I am considerng just removing the chattering relay.
From what I have read I believe this relay controls the ice maker/dispenser, which looks correct as no ice is produced. But before I start desoldering would doing this have any other side effects?
For information the front temp display flickers for the freezer on -19, but the fride temp just dispays a dash. The temperature + and – buttons don’t seem to do anything. The water dispenser works fine, but the front light flickers badly. Recently when I turned the fridge off with the front button, It took about 1 hour to get it to turn back on as pressing the button had no effect, and when it did ‘engage’ it would turn back off almost immediately. I’m guessing this is one ofthe capacitors struggling to keep a relay engaged due to low output.
thanks
Justin
