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Re: My 12 Year old Bosch Classixx 1400 just caught fire
Just to end the story (thanks for all the replies guys!!) I had time to take the front off tonight
http://i.imgur.com/cMSB2W7.jpg
After the comments here I looked up a new heater/thermostat, they were inexpensive so I did the teardown to assess viability. I think the conclusion must be there may be issues keeping it watertight going forward? 😆
Still havnt worked out what to replace it with, every time I find something well reviewed reevoo is right there to tell me whats wrong with it. The only thing I know is its not going to be a Bosch!! :fire:
My search for reliability continues!!
Re: My 12 Year old Bosch Classixx 1400 just caught fire
Its not too clear in the first picture but the far right wire was burned through and disconnected from its spade terminal which was still attached to its pin, my guess is from checking/pressing on the loom I can see a small movement in the clip that the motor>terminal loom was secured to, meaning gradually as the drum vibrated wash after wash the wire had broken inside its sheath causing arcing, which in turn heated up the whole metal plate causing the plastic surrounding to ignite.
No RCD, is an older property still on a fused box. Like I said the machine was still washing away and even completed the drain cycle while it was on fire pumping out smoke. No evidence of door seal leak, am almost certain it was the power wire from the controller arcing.
Re: My 12 Year old Bosch Classixx 1400 just caught fire
@simon46 it was still operating at that point, the wash was still going, infact I replugged it back in briefly to run the drain cycle before ripping it out fully. If the flame/melting had got to the control board I expect it would have fused but it was localised to the drum connector block.@all Photos here.
http://i.imgur.com/lPQ8OVE.jpg General Area, blackening is all smoke damage, it was light gray!
http://i.imgur.com/6B53qvd.jpg Contact Plate
http://i.imgur.com/xx61so3.jpg Close up of burned wire I think caused the plate to melt its surroundings
http://i.imgur.com/Ii2haCY.jpg One of the bits of melted detritus which fell to the bottom
So my main question is still is it worth bothering Bosch over this? Even tho it was a catastrophic fail which could have burned down another kitchen theyre likely to tell me to sod off right? Im certainly not paying them to look at it (as @jerry85 said they might), I know its dead, I dont need their engineer to tell me that.
Had a quick look in our local Currys, not good for someone who suffers from choice paralysis! So many machines, so few differences, so many hidden gotchas, im so out of my depth. As a technical guy I feel I have to review all the options and choose the right one but its just not my field. Should I just close my eyes and point at one? 😮
Re: My 12 Year old Bosch Classixx 1400 just caught fire
Yep 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} no mistake. The detectors went off and it smoked out my kitchen and living room with grey smoke, I can still smell it now many hours on. If I hadnt spotted it early it could have heated up plastic parts to melting or caught other items inside alight.
Being in an inaccessible part of the machine I could only see a reflection of the flame flickering from the sides of the drum space down the front of it but I was more interested in chucking down as much water as it took to stop the smoking than assess how much flame was in there. I heard hissing noise so whatever it was was getting hot and fuming bad, definitely working up to be a kitchen fire.
Have not had time to do more than secure and fix my waste and deal with the draining down and all the cleaning up mess, finding a capable replacement machine is key and then I want find out how to open up this firetrap Bosch and see exactly what parts failed, just my research on new machines tonight has been slow (everyone swore by Bosch 12 years ago) and I have no idea who owns which brand names and who sells genuinely good machines. The only one standing out is Samsung for its 5 year warranty, but I have no idea if they are good machines.
EDIT: Have opened the firetrap Bosch up from the bottom, ouch!! Fire looks like it was caused by vibration failure of a power cable attached to the drum, causing arcing to heat up the whole contact plate enough to melt and ignite the plastic splash cover above it. Its a melted unrepairable mess with black smoke damage up the drum front and rubber. I took a few snaps but its a bit gloomy on my phone, will take some tomorrow in better light and post the links here.
