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Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Went back to the appliance store and took the motor and brushes with me. They immediately knew they were wrong. So beware if you’re buying brushes for my model of washing machine, some of them are being mis-sold. Hopefully I can rebuild the washer and it’ll work now.
Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Martin wrote:
wideawakewesley wrote:
I will be complaining at the local shop tomorrow then. Any chance I’ve done permanent damage?What is the full model number of your machine and what was the part number of the genuine brushes your local shop supplied?
Washer: WAE28363GB/05
Brushes: 00605694There are a few other numbers on the label for the brushes:
00971120
00987037
00216A search on epares brought up this:
http://shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/605694-w … on-brushes
And that says it’s compatible with my washer, not sure I believe it though.
Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Martin wrote:You’ve bought the wrong brushes. The long ones are for a later model.
The higher resistance of the longer brush will allow the microprocessor to go AWOL.
I will be complaining at the local shop tomorrow then. Any chance I’ve done permanent damage?
Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Andy jones wrote:The carbon part of the brush should slide up and down easily before fitting spring. If not there will not be a decent contact with the armature
Hi Andy,
Not sure what you mean when you say up and down? They only appear to slide in and out of the slot they’re inserted into to make contact with the armature.
The carbon piece fitted into that slot ok, but I had to really cram the spring in behind it to the point where all the coils we so tightly bunched there were no gaps between them once the clip was inserted to hold them in place.
Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Muv wrote:A small amount of clicking with new brushes is normal, until they bed themselves in, but it sounds as thought you may have not fitted them correctly maybe?
I would take the motor out and check that the whole surface of the brush is in contact with the armature, and not just the tip of them..
And also that the brushes when installed correctly are pushed in to the holder, ther mistny be any resistance, as this may cause the symtoms you describe, as in one brush may have just lost contact with the armature due to it not being free to move agains the spring pressure..
Is the machine showing any error codes or flashing lights?Martin
These particular brushes were longer than normal and the springs were pretty much fully compressed when I had the brushes locked in place. It seemed VERY tight to me, but this is the first time I’ve ever done this.
The only error code I’ve had was F:21 and since that one instance (post-refit) there’s no spinning at all. I’ll take the motor off again and check the brushes.
When you say no resistance, I assume the brushes shouldn’t be fitted very tightly against the armature as I’m describing these are?
Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Thanks for the help so far, looks like I could use some more. Story so far…
1. Bought and fitted new official Bosch carbon brushes. For my model, the brushes are actually longer than normal.
2. Did a test spin. Everything was ok.
3. First wash. Everything was ok.
4. 2nd wash failed with F:21 error.
5. Tried a machine spin. Failed.
6. Opened up the machine. Motor looks ok, manual spin from rear and inside drum seem ok.
7. Tried a machine spin. Started ok, but failed before it got up to speed. During the slow part of the spin, a strange almost constant ticking like sound was coming from the motor.Haven’t been able to get it to do anything since. Any ideas?
Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Hi Martin,
My local parts supplier recommended I buy Bosch brushes which are more expensive than unbranded as they claim that the carbon on some brushes can get into the motor on Bosch’s specifically and cause damage. They have some for £36 in stock, but I see generic ones here and elsewhere for about £10. The ones here even specify they use the same grade of carbon. Any thoughts on that?
Wes
Re: Bosch Classixx 6 1400 – Not spinning (F:21 error & 1min)
Cheers Martin, getting the motor off was easier than I expected. Didn’t realise there was a piece of the rear panel you could remove. The brushes are indeed worn, so I’m going to purchase some new ones and give them a go. Will report back. Thanks!
A friend and a ratchet seemed to do the job very easily. We’d have never got it on by hand, but it seems to be working properly now. Thanks for the help!
helo_75 wrote:thats exactly how it should be
good luck putting it on, i use an old belt to drag the belt over the pulley, it really seems too tight, but trust me when i say its right
thats the reason the pulleys and drum bearings fail so quickly.. far too much tension
Bloody hell you were right about it being tight. I’ve had a quick go and realised I need something akin to the belt you’re using and some extra muscles. Hmmm…
Re: Indesit IS70c Tumble Dryer problem. Is it the belt or mo
Thanks for the help. I’ll give it a go tonight and report back. Better keep the kids out of the kitchen as I expect I’ll be dropping a few f-bombs
Re: Indesit IS70c Tumble Dryer problem. Is it the belt or mo
iadom wrote:Its on the back, dead centre. If you take if off and a lot of black dust falls out then its almost certain your drum shaft has worn right through.
Ok, I know the bit you mean. I took the cover off the other day but don’t recall a large amount of black dust in there. I couldn’t actually get the piece it was covering up off.
helo_75 wrote:if that diagram is from the front of the machine, then the belts on wrong!
both sides of the belt should be to the right of the pulley, the left side running on it!!
and yes its unbelievably tight to get on
That diagram is from the front. Not sure what you mean by both sides of the belt though? Do you mean this?
If so, do both sides of the belt not touch the pulley? I assume not and the angle from the drum to the motor spindle is enough to keep the other side away from the pulley?
Re: Indesit IS70c Tumble Dryer problem. Is it the belt or mo
As far as I can tell the belt is on properly. It’s over the drum, feeds around the grooves in the motor spindle and has been pulled over the left side of the pulley, which was hard (but not that hard and didn’t required any leverage other than my fingers). There really isn’t anywhere else I can see it could go to be any tighter than it is.
I’ve included a very basic cutaway diagram to show you where the belt runs currently.
As I’m seeing the belt slip on the drum as it’s being pulled around, I assume there’s either there’s too much resistance from the drum (or a part connected to it), the belt has too much slack in it or there’s not enough power coming from the motor. Is it really impossible for belts to stretch even slight amounts?
Also, where is the small access panel?
