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  • #67908
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Balance, karma, call it what you will but at the end of the day, none of us are completely innocent.

    I’d love to hear some of the stuff the manufacturers, retailers, retailers, etc. hear as weak excuses for appliance engineers and, glorified parts fitters saying. And, if that means you email me it and I post the comments anonymously, so be it as this stuff cuts both ways.

    I will protect the identity of the comments and where they came from. I’m bad for that, can’t help but think that identity protection cuts both ways.

    Before I begin can I just point out that, despite Jim Henson’s demise, the muppets are truly alive, well and often spotted attending service calls. Without someone’s hand up their butt many seem to be inextricably lost at sea…

    (No jokes about some form of toys, it’s actually real and not that funny)

    As a starter for ten…

    “How do I get the back off XXXX tumble dryer…”

    You’re the soddin’ engineer (or so you say and expect to be paid for it), work it out!

    “I have a fault reported of XXX, what bits should I take to replace?”

    See above.

    “I see loads of these with this fault…”

    You’re a muppet.

    “This happens all the time…”

    See above, your’e still a muppet.

    “I think that’s a design flaw…”

    Yep, see above, still a muppet.

    “I need to order parts” despite never having called, having a remote clue what the problem is then you order a motor, module and inverter card and play parts bingo till you get it right. Yup, you’re a muppet.

    Then bill back all the spares because you can’t be bothered to send the ones you didn’t need back. And, like anyone with an ounce of common sense doesn’t know that you’re at it, don’t have a clue what you’re doing and are a muppet.

    “If you call them up and give them aggro they’ll change it for you…” uh huh, on your say so, ’cause you know so much…

    I’m sure there are many, many more and, I’d love to hear them all.

    I don’t like being labelled a muppet. I’d much rather know what I was doing wrong, why and sort the problem.

    K.

    #368946
    Martin
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    kwatt wrote:I’d love to hear some of the stuff the manufacturers, retailers, retailers, etc. hear as weak excuses for appliance engineers and, glorified parts fitters saying.

    I’m not sure I would wish to go along with this idea of maligning others in this way. Belittling those that at least have the initiative to ask of others. Virtually every day someone posts on here such questions in the hope of getting ‘heads up’ as to what may lie ahead for them. Anxious to know how the back comes off or how to access the pump. Blindingly obvious to many, very logical in the extreme to others. An engineers career begins by asking these questions and by and by their skills develop to such an extent that they too can help others.

    There’s no “muppets” here but if you feel the urge to criticise others then that’s your call. 😐

    #368947
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    You should see some of the things that I see Martin, you’d change your mind.

    And anyway, fair’s fair. There’s numerous threads running on WPs, manufacturers and customers… are you saying there aren’t repairs that can be equally as daft at times?

    K.

    #368948
    boselecta
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    I wonder if you can remember the first jobs you were issued from the manufacturer you used to work for.

    I can remember a few of my first jobs and calling in to the office asking the blindingly obvious.

    I for one admit to making some awfull diagnosis, parts fitting on jobs and not telling customers the correct company line.

    Makes me cringe when I think about it now but if those mistakes make me a “muppet” in someone elses eyes so be it. 😉

    #368949
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    Yup, we’re all muppets at times I’m afraid, without exception.

    The trick is to learn when you’re being a muppet, why you’re a muppet and not be a muppet again for the same stupid thing. 😉

    Hence, by having others tell you how they see it actually helps you to up your game and be better at the job, probably saving you hassle in the course of that.

    It’s actually quite sensible Martin. 😉

    K.

    #368950
    Lawrence
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    Nothing wrong in asking for a Heads up on a fault ,but some of the paperwork I get in from my guys has to be seen to be believed.

    #368951
    Martin
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    kwatt wrote:It’s actually quite sensible Martin. 😉

    I don’t quite see it in the same light, don’t quite appreciate the idea of belittling others over their mistakes. If “muppet” be an appropriate phrase and label to wear then indeed each one of us has at some time worn that label of recognition, I agree.

    From those that drill great holes in the back of washing machine cabinets in order to access the motor bolts. To others that randomly throw away sump hose balls because they simply don’t appreciate there value. The army of so called fridge engineers that disconnect faulty defrost heaters ‘cos access to them is difficult and then tell customers that manual defrost is is far more effective and should be carried out instead. Not to mention the shorting out of thermal cut-outs on tumble dryers and ovens, a regular practice by many across the country.

    The greatest of all, the more high ranking “muppets” without doubt are the ‘dual fuelers’. Those amongst us that mess around with gas appliances, the proverbial range cooker where they strive to ensure that at no point do they touch the gas side of the appliance. Apparently sanctioned by the likes of Gas Safe and Corgi in so doing but nonetheless muppets to a man if anything should go wrong for even attending such an appliance without full qualification.

    So yes, perhaps you’re right Ken, maybe it is sensible to highlight the many errors, cock-ups, blatantly dangerous and stupid practices that are carried out by “appliance engineers and glorified part fitters”. It won’t help the cause any, won’t exactly change the opinion others already have of our lowly profession. But lets bring out the dirty washing and see how it goes anyway. 😐

    #368952
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    Like I said Martin, everyone’s a muppet at times.

    I actually mean it in a nice way (most of the time) even when I have a go at Robert or beat myself up over doing something dumb.

    But from what you’re saying it’s okay to poke fun at customers or clients, but not have a laugh on or at ourselves? I don’t get that at all, we all makes mistakes.

    But I’ll give you a couple of classic examples…

    Engineer being paid as an agent walks into a customers house and says, “Oh yes, we do loads of these”

    Says to the customer: These go wrong a lot, you better get another one… cue claim, nasty phone calls etc.

    Engineer, same scenario says, “I think that’s a design flaw with these appliances”

    Says to the customer: Claim the manufacturer or retailer for a new one, a different one as these are all faulty… cue claim, nasty phone calls etc.

    Dumb comments like that when you’re doing contract work not only cause serious damage in the short term, they will ruin your reputation as a repairer and I have known them to cause the loss of contracts. Just because you’ve been a muppet and nobody’s told you.

    The trick is to learn from the bitter experience of others and not repeat the errors. Or, are you trying to tell me that that would be wrong?

    K.

    #368953
    Martin
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    kwatt wrote:The trick is to learn from the bitter experience of others and not repeat the errors. Or, are you trying to tell me that that would be wrong?

    We’ve all been to the Ministry of Hard Knocks and learn something new every day. So learning off the back of others mistakes is indeed a valuable lesson and should be encouraged.

    But, in the few examples you gave, I couldn’t help noticing that the majority are brought about by poor management training. From the outset it is the responsibilty of managers to instill in their staff NOT to make inappropriate comment to customers and other interested parties. An engineer can be branded a muppet for simply admitting the truth by merely saying ” yes we get loads of these that go wrong”. At times when management should instill in his/her staff that honesty is not always the better business policy to adobt.

    It’s a war zone out there and the engineer is on the front line taking flack from all sides….. :clown:

    #368954
    funkyboogy
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    and on that note what is the best thing to say to customers
    who have been on internet etc and have discovered the appliance is a pile of poo ,
    i know the trouble it causes in the office as customers will twist round anything the engineer says to suit their agenda and give office staff no end of hassle ..

    we do learn to be a bit more diplomatic as we get older but at times it can be very difficult to not say anything or agree with customer if you happen to be the 5-6 engineer visit.

    if anyone has a particular method it would be good to hear /share

    ally

    #368955
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    But Martin, these forums are full of self-employed engineers that don’t have managers. 😉

    But going into a customer’s home and telling them that you think the product you’re being asked to repair and, paid to do so by the manufacturer or a WP, is a pile **** is not what I’d qualify as good customer relations. Not if you want to keep the agency/your job.

    Yes Ally, exactly the sort of thing which is often just a bit of help that’s needed on how to deal with it rather than saying the wrong thing and landing everyone in the cart as it were.

    K.

    #368956
    lee8
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    Calling ones self an Engineer when one does not posses an Engineering qualification springs to mind.

    Assuming the few Chinese made crap they see broken (000000000000000000000000000000.00001{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} manufactured) means it is going to be slagged off endlessly on a forum.

    Yes love buy the Bosch WDL23838293782837 its a remarkable efficient, reliable work horse that will serve you well.

    I remember a few yrs back an engineer had been told not to point out to the client “installation faults” found on appliances installed by a certain large dealer who employed really really dump people to install them because the dealer was threatening to pull the contract.

    So how do you explain to the client the cooker hood some 4 meters longer than the max distance from the outlet cannot cope without mentioning the issue.

    Simply blame the Builder of the house. :rotfl: :rotfl:

    #368957
    kwatt
    Keymaster

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    lee8 wrote:Calling ones self an Engineer when one does not posses an Engineering qualification springs to mind.

    engineer [??nd???n??]
    n
    1. (Engineering / General Engineering) a person trained in any branch of the profession of engineering
    2. the originator or manager of a situation, system, etc.
    3. (Engineering / Mechanical Engineering) a mechanic; one who repairs or services machines
    4. (Transport / Railways) US and Canadian the driver of a railway locomotive
    5. (Transport / Nautical Terms) an officer responsible for a ship’s engines
    6. (Military) Informal name sapper a member of the armed forces, esp the army, trained in engineering and construction work

    Nope, I failed to spot the requirement for certification in the definition.

    Had this argument a long time ago, please drop it.

    K.

    #368958
    lee8
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    “We are always right”.

    Sorry in our industry the difference is simple.

    One uses the brain the other the hands.

    Or to put it your way one is a muppet the other is not.

    #368959
    RocketMan
    Participant

    Re: The Most Stupid Things Engineers Say

    It’s not always saying stupid things, some times just the truth can cause ruptions. Two particular jobs spring to mind:

    1. After doing a modification to an early version CTD because the customer had reported a fault the day it was delivered. The customer wanted to know in depth what I’d done and why had I walked in with the part ready to fit in my hand. I trod very carefully and said the absolute minimum but she was very canny and kept trying to trick me but I never fell for it. When I got to the office the next day it was all hell. She’d contacted Comet head office because she had knowlingly been sold a faulty dryer (true) and this was confirmed by the engineer (false) :eeek: :eeek: Of course I had said nothing of the sort but head office wanted a written report.

    2. After picking up a job sheet and seeing that 3 engineers had already called in the last four days to this job I knew it was a problem job. On reading the reports and seeing comments customer advisor write ups like “customer extremely angry” and “customer wants and engineer out NOW”. My boss said I still had to go out to the job even though he knew we did not have the parts. To cut a long story short, we did not have the parts but the 1st eng went out, confirmed eeprom and board needed. We had the board but no eeprom in stock advised the cutsomer of the delay. Customer moans and the centre sends out two more engineers in 3 days still with no stock and then I’m the last one. After my initial assessment, I pretend to go back to the car to look for an eeprom that I knew I never had and went back and broke the news to the lady. Oh, that’s ok..phew go away with I thought. Err no. She then promptly locks the door, removes the key and puts it in her bra. “And your’re not going any where until it’s fixed.” Trying to calm the situation I said “Ah well, put the kettle on then.” oh my lord she errupted and for a few seconds I was a bit anxious but not worried because she did not seem the violent type. An hour or so later with my boss threatening the police and a promise of a new machine to be delivered the next day (which I knew was a lie), I was released, no longer a hostage. The annoying thing was, it should have been sorted at the first eng visit but instead the managers lied to her every time just to shut her up and sent an eng out which in effect made the situation worse and I just copped the lot. PS I did get the cup of tea though and she did not get her new machine for another week. Oh and I got grilled and had to write another report for head office for causing the problem – would you believe it??

    Doing stupid things a different matter. AFter fitting a and programming a new board to a WMA, I rushed by to the car to grab a can of foam cleaner and some cloths. I sprayed the “foam cleaner” all over the control panel to clean it up….only find I’d picked up a can of white spray paint…. doh… 😳

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