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January 13, 2005 at 7:57 pm #7460
Martin
ParticipantSurely you guys must have fallen foul of British Gas’s incompetance in this market place? How the bastards are knicking partly trained up engineers from independants, and are even recruiting ex-servicemen into ‘civvy street’ (as revealed to me by an REME officer at Arborfield Garrison, Nr Reading back last autumn).
Sadly I personally only have a few examples of their ‘operatives’ but I think many of you have come across a few shining examples we should tell the trade out there???…tell ’em then!
Joe Public pays Β£12.50 (min) a month for appliance cover, then gets some tosspot along a week later with not a scooby doo how to fix it, no spare on his van, calls back 4 weeks later with the wrong part….for fuck sake πΏ
Martin
January 13, 2005 at 8:31 pm #123413Flipper
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Martin wrote:not a scooby doo how to fix it, no spare on his van, calls back 4 weeks later with the wrong part….for fuck sake πΏ
Martin
cont. and every week for the next 4 weeks until we get called out then takes 2 visits to sort because everywire has been pulled off and put back in the wrong place, and then we gat a claim from the punter for flood,flooring,cabinet damage or loss of earnings ?January 13, 2005 at 10:15 pm #123414Dave_Conway
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Sounds about the ticket.
We did work for them for 18 months when they 1st started the caper of “total house care insurance” until they decided to pull the plug, even afterwards should their engineer ?? go on holiday they would fax over 15 calls all pre-booked at 5pm for the following day, faxed straight back.
I’ve heard nothing from them for months now, not even a complaint from their customers down here, probably nicked a good engineer from some poor bastard, possibly one of Alex’s
Centrica, and who was it started all this, repair and care…..ex NESN wasn’t it ?
Dave.
January 14, 2005 at 12:02 am #123415kwatt
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Repair & Care, appeared from nowhere and sold out to BG.
Shortly after they asked me to do some work, I told them to fook off basically as we had enough and I didn’t need or want the grief across multiple brands. Plus they just passed the shite.
So I gave them Mike’s number in Ayr, stupid Kiwi will have anything, he’s even taken on NESN and Walter’s number. π
Needless to say the stuid Kiwi bought vans and allsorts to do it then got fucked and Walter, well he prolly fucked it up anyway and lost it, never did hear.
It will fail I’m sure but they have invested so much into it that they just cannot u-turn on it for now, just like Comet although there will be a day of reckoning sooner or later.
You see it always happens when you do multi brand work in these sorts of volumes, you just can’t get the first fix rate to sustain it and the engineers don’t ge the experience on the product. Apart from which you just cannot carry the stock required in a 3.5 tonner let alone a Berlingo! When you branch into multi-brand it’s fine so long as you’re small and can spend hte time, like Chris and Martin, but employees just don’t give a fuck, they order the motor and module and worry about it another day especially if they have thirteen calls on and one’s a Zanussi washer dryer rear half change.
Can you blame them? It’s no ineptitude or even laziness, it’s reality.
K.
January 14, 2005 at 8:57 am #123416Martin
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Ken,
With your permission of course, I propose to notify the public out there about the inefficiencies of the British Gas Homecare Scheme. Its gets us nowhere moaning in private forums about them after all.
If I get a chance later today I will let you see me comments prior to any publication π
Martin
January 14, 2005 at 9:11 am #123417kwatt
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If someone starts it outside of us, i.e. the trade, Martin then fine, but I don’t think that we should be seen to do so. It’s nothing to do with upsetting BG, in fact I’d like to ream them but…
For a start it’d look like sour grapes since they took a load of work off the independents and beyond that it could be construed as us being inflamatory. At some point I’m quite sure that some of the public will pick up on it and post the gripes on here, at which point it becomes open season on BG in public. Ideally there would be a few posts on it that kicked it off so we’re only commenting on “what we know of BG” in relation to the complaint.
Just remember that it doesn’t take too long for Google to index stuff and BG’s name has appeared on a few occasions now. π
K.
January 14, 2005 at 9:15 am #123418kwatt
KeymasterJust had a thought though…
There’s no harm in asking, with a poll of course in a public forum, for people’s experience of the BG scheme. Now that’s totally innocent and all we’re doing is asking for comment to see if it is worth recommending to customers. π
K.
January 14, 2005 at 11:01 am #123419johnmac11
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I keep getting letters from British Gas asking for references for engineers they have poached from me so I faxed them a letter.
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For the attention of Jackie Hulmes, British Gas HR Dept.I have today received a request for a reference from you for an ex-employee of mine who now works for British Gas.
I hope you will forgive me for not send this reference back as this will be the 5th engineer you have poached from me in the last year with a 6th coming your way next month.
I have a small company in the midlands employing 10 engineers in total and it seems as if I am employing non trained or partially trained personnel and spending 1 year to 18 months training them for their new career in British Gas.
I have also noticed that when an engineer leaves me for British Gas that some of my remaining engineers get a call from your management trying to encourage them to join you.
So can you please make a note not to send me anymore more reference forms to fill in as you can guess where they are going to end up.
Regards,
John McKenzieJanuary 14, 2005 at 4:54 pm #123420Martin
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This is a more serious problem than I thought judging from Johns experience alone, and something we should at least try to address in whatever way we can collectively.
Now I take on board your comment Ken about not being right for us to start this public thing from within. How about I get one of my customers to post their BG Homecare experience then to start the ball rolling so to speak. (Thinks…just hope she’s on the Internet for this to work π )
I will also work on your other suggestion on the “Poll” thing but I don’t hold out too much hope there on that having any success really eh in all honesty judging by some other polls we’ve run β
It’s THE GOOGLE EFFECT I am after (by the way you can use that phrase from now on if you like π ) by that I mean, if you look up BRITISH GAS HOMECARE on Google all sorts of crap comes back at you, including the BG Webpages http://www.britishgasnews.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=45
BUT if we had a load of comment on the subject from this site, I’m sure it will get top billing, and therefore discourage new customer signing up!
Worth a go eh?
Martin
January 14, 2005 at 5:17 pm #123421Dave_Conway
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Just so you know, there is at least one representative of BG on the site who have access to the trade forums π
Dave.
January 14, 2005 at 5:57 pm #123422Martin
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I don’t expect for one single moment they will then comment anyway. πΏ
And Dented Porsche may be our man ‘on the inside’ :rotl:
Martin
January 14, 2005 at 6:32 pm #123423Alex
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This is indeed a serious problem, and it bothers me. The likes of our esteemed work providers fail to grasp the point that we cannot afford to get near the wages being offered by the big boys. Whether this is a secret agenda by Brit Gas I donβt know, but if they pull away all our staff, that in turn undermines us and they will pick up the pieces.
The reason for this diatribe is; one of the members of this site, “fly_on_the_wall” approached me for a job after I posted I was looking for an engineer. He lived over the border in an area I did not cover for Service Force, so I interviewed him and he seemed experienced as he had worked 3 years Gias & 3 years Euronics AEG agent.
As he resided out of my area I was a bit reluctant, but I got wind of the news that the engineer my Service Force neighbour that worked that area handed in his notice. I spoke to MR. Fly on the Wall and advised him if I can capture his home patch; we were in business. He was enthusiastic. So, after a few phone calls and meetings pouring over maps, I got the area and took this guy on. On top of that I spoke to Dave Parker & we were talking about another 10 postcodes.
Taking this bloke on meant, kitted out van, meters, special tools, phone with blue tooth, uniform, a bit of Lux training. We even put him with the other guys individually for a week to get to know the paperwork trail. So he was up & running for 1 week then Christmas. He dropped the bombshell as soon as he came back after the holiday that he was contacted by Brit Gas several times over the Xmas period and he was off. A mate of his worked for BG and passed on his phone number. Then comes the kicker, this bloody mate then handed in his notice with BG as he was pissed off with the running around.
There was a good side, which is the reason Iβve not made this public. Mr Fly on the Wall was a total disaster. For every 3 machines he repaired, 4 came back as a recall. He kept βlosingβ stock, failed to get serial numbers or insurance details, sometimes failed to collect the money. All in all glad to see the back of the tosser. But it has left me with a larger area, including a city and less coverage. The result of that is; chargeable customers are voting with their feet and cannot wait a week for us to call.
The moral of the story is, bloody Brit Gas is still screwing me 3 years after they pulled the plug.
A well pissed off Alex
See you at the meeting
January 14, 2005 at 8:54 pm #123424Martin
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Alex wrote:A well pissed off Alex
Diatribe? Not at all, more of an eyeopener and a serious problem at the very least that needs an urgent concentrated approach from all of us that can or may do something about it.
And yes, whilst the likes of me and Chris (penguin45 that is) are not directly involved, collectively we can join in and are just as concerned, I can assure you π
NEGATIVE PUBLICITY against BG is one way (and IMHO – the only way) forward that I am presently working on, which may help at least to sway public opinion and perception perhaps. Bearing in mind that BG have the financial backing way beyond any of us could, can and will ever match. They will always pay higher wages than you guys simply to get staff on the payroll. Their income from Homecare policies must rake in millions, so they are on a different level after all. (D&G surely must be small fry in comparison)
Needs some serious thought π―
Martin
January 14, 2005 at 9:21 pm #123425Alex
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Martin wrote:And Dented Porsche may be our man ‘on the inside’ :rotl:
Martin
Not if I can help it.
In this room only, I have set him up to talk to Steve Harrison the service Force agent from West Wales who has recently gained Swansea from the defunct Cardiff operation that was run by TR services of Bristol.
The reason I prefer to keep it in here is because if you read his post, Dented Porsche is about to leave a small family business, a bit like some of us; and I don’t want to make it look like UKW had a part in it. After all we don’t want to be tarred with the same brush as B/Gas.
If this works, it will be a little payback for stealing one from me. I’m not looking at using D.P. as a pawn, I’m thinking of his interests as well, and Steve Harrison is a decent guy.
If there is likely to be a guy on the inside, I asked “fly_on_the_wall” to keep this forum updated, particularly on the B.G. front. I think he is nieve enough to do so as well.
Still pissed off though.
Alex
January 14, 2005 at 9:38 pm #123426kwatt
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I did do a post but it’s gone. π
Okay, to combat BG is at best going to be hard quite simply as they have money to throw at the problems as Martin rightly points out. They are fuckers and we will have our own back at some point, but it’s a bloody big fight that one is.
Also they may be an ally! π―
Remember they buy a shitload of spares as well so they may join in the fight on that front.
Complex this politics business isn’t it?
I was hoping for a member of the public on it forst, or better still a few of them on it. But there are ways and means to do that.
Martin, ask Richard (RS) if he can snoop about some of the consumer forums as he knows a few of them well enough and see if there’s any moans on this front and to post that we have BG senior staff that read this site. Now that’s a bit more subtle and opens the door, hopefully the floodgates if all goes well. It also means that we didn’t start the fight, orchestrated it perhaps, staged it, maybe… but prove it!
On the salary front we are slowly starting to get somehere with rates, but it’s a long hard slog and getting from where we are to where we want to be is going to be harder still. But I think it can be done. That way we can at least compete if nothing else.
We could also do with a high profile thread “BG Steal Another Engineer” sounds a good topic to me, explaining that we could not compete with the salary on offer. I may have a word with Rudolph there as he always gets some attention. But we will have to keep that thread high profile for a while, the rumour mill if it could be construed or spun to fit there would be best for it. Or indeed work and vacancies as the trade will read it in either.
Beyond that, I’ll have to have a think about it.
K.
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