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April 9, 2021 at 12:13 pm #99393
2Tricky
ParticipantHello,
I have a 35 year old – or so – dishwasher and no one can find anything about it… Well, that’s not entirely true; one company insisted that the E-Nr number belonged to an extractor hood.
Codes on the plate are: “E-Nr 195.302 235”, “Typ GB-5030.11 AU CO2”, “FD 6511” and “195.091 001.FZ-4” and for completeness: “85W”, “2x60W”, “240V” and “205W” too.
This was clearly made well and just needs a water inlet valve. If anyone can shed any light on how to search for a part, I’d much appreciate it.
Many thanks!
April 9, 2021 at 12:52 pm #476154electrofix
Moderatorlooks like nov 1985 not bad
some of the old ones use this
https://shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/091051-dishwasher-water-inlet-valve
you could post a pic of the valve but may have to host it somewhere else and ost a public linkDave
April 9, 2021 at 12:55 pm #476155don
Moderator195.302.235 does indeed go to a cooker hood. It maybe that the same ENR was used again but later.
Best way forward would be to post a photo of the valve here, you will need to host it first on somewhere like Google images.
I’m sure someone will be able to suggest something that will do the job.
Don
April 9, 2021 at 1:22 pm #4761562Tricky
Participantelectrofix wrote:looks like nov 1985 not bad
some of the old ones use this
https://shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/0910…er-inlet-valve
you could post a pic of the valve but may have to host it somewhere else and ost a public linkDave
Thanks Dave and Don…
Yeah, it’s a shame that even the likes of Neff seems to have sold out, by overwriting their database, similarly to Bosch’s new MO, which is to sell cheap (mediocre) stuff using their old good name.
Anyway; thanks for the link and image upload suggestion. The linked part looks similar to mine, but a little inverted. Is this a reducing pressure valve? My unit seems to be able to ignore when the value is open sometimes, as though another valve in-series is still closed/off.
Thanks again!
Update:
I’ll take a picture later and upload to Dropbox.April 9, 2021 at 2:10 pm #476157electrofix
Moderatorthe valve after the inlet valve is an overflow sensor. it uses air pressure from the machine to stop it filling if its over filled
you need to check you need a valve before you order as it could be down to a blockage in the machine.
Dave
April 9, 2021 at 2:26 pm #4761582Tricky
Participantelectrofix wrote:the valve after the inlet valve is an overflow sensor. it uses air pressure from the machine to stop it filling if its over filled
you need to check you need a valve before you order as it could be down to a blockage in the machine.
Dave
Thanks Dave, I’ll do that.
Currently, I can’t imagine that there’s a blockage as it will often fill when appropriate and without intervention, and sometimes not fill when appropriate – when there is no water in the machine. If the machine seems to be “stuck” in the cycle, tapping on the valve makes the water flow in. What makes me ask about the reducing-pressure aspect is that water can be flowing in happily, and then stop after what seems to be an appropriate time, and yet the valve is still energised. From what you’ve said, I think this seems consistent in principle with it being a “working” overflow sensor dictating to the valve.
Thanks again Dave.
April 9, 2021 at 7:07 pm #476159electrofix
Moderatorif the is a thin tube going to the valve. remove it but place it where it cant damage anything if water leaks out.
then try the machine
if water flows out of the thin tube ( wont be gushing as its not under pressure) then you know the overflow mech is causing the problemif the machine still has the fault you have prob got a faulty valve
Dave
April 10, 2021 at 9:01 am #4761602Tricky
Participantelectrofix wrote:if the is a thin tube going to the valve. remove it but place it where it cant damage anything if water leaks out.
then try the machine
if water flows out of the thin tube ( wont be gushing as its not under pressure) then you know the overflow mech is causing the problemif the machine still has the fault you have prob got a faulty valve
Dave
Thanks, I’ll do that too. In the mean time, here are two links to two shots of the valve from different angles – as it’s not out of the machine yet:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yyob8196gmcmyvo/2021-04-10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}2008.36.37.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/in79q71s1cy4wjw/2021-04-10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}2008.37.07.jpg?dl=0As I hope you can see, water comes in from the right, the electrical part is on top, the overflow sensor is beneath and the water-out is on the left. I’m not sure what size fittings these are, but if it is indeed the valve assembly, it would be good to have something that is anotomically correct in as many ways as possible – for ease of fitment.
Cheers!
April 10, 2021 at 9:10 am #476161iadom
ModeratorThe very first BSH dishwasher made for Hotpoint had a slightly different valve to that one, from memory ( it was a long time ago) the actual solenoid was at a different angle. When Hotpoint decided to go back into selling dishwashers they sent one engineer from each district to Peterborough for a five day course on just this 4 model range. I was the designated dishwasher engineer for all of Manchester North. It was over 6 months before I got my first call out, couldn’t remember how to switch the drained thing on.:)
Not sure but think I might have copies of original manuals, will check later.
April 10, 2021 at 9:19 am #476162electrofix
Moderatorwell looking at the pics I think your valve may be this one
https://shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/7051836-safety-water-inlet-valve
Dave
April 10, 2021 at 10:03 am #476163iadom
ModeratorThat is the valve I mentioned. Did occasionally perform intermittently. Always was expensive but that price is staggering.:(
April 10, 2021 at 10:09 am #4761642Tricky
Participantiadom wrote:The very first BHS dishwasher made for Hotpoint had a slightly different valve to that one, from memory ( it was a long time ago) the actual solenoid was at a different angle. When Hotpoint decided to go back into selling dishwashers they sent one engineer from each district to Peterborough for a five day course on just this 4 model range. I was the designated dishwasher engineer for all of Manchester North. It was over 6 months before I got my first call out, couldn’t remember how to switch the drained thing on.:)
Not sure but think I might have copies of original manuals, will check later.
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Sorry if I sound thick iadom, but this isn’t a Hotpoint badged washer of course. Who is/was BHS?
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Iadom, I’d love a manual if you might have one. Mine’s turned to coal!April 10, 2021 at 10:10 am #476165electrofix
Moderatorfor BHS read Bosch same thing
Dave
April 10, 2021 at 10:15 am #4761662Tricky
Participantelectrofix wrote:well looking at the pics I think your valve may be this one
https://shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/7051836-safety-water-inlet-valve
Dave
Thanks Dave and iadom beat me to a comment about the price. For me, my shoestring just wouldn’t reach that cost.
I guess that if push comes to shove, I could get one with the same connections and buy a shoehorn. I chuckled when iadom said that they were intermittent. Do you think the designers grandson now occupies the position?
April 10, 2021 at 10:26 am #476167iadom
ModeratorThe other valve or any alternative would be impossible to fit in.
BSH,basically Bosch, Neff, Siemens. I worked for Hotpoint from May 1969 until 1980 when I left to go self employed. These Bosch/Neff dishwashers where made for Hotpoint in the very early 70’s. Models 840, 850, 860 & 870.
Should be BSH not the department store BHS, oops.
BSH Hausgeräte GmbH is the full name of the German parent company.
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