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Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
kwatt wrote:http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/washing-machine/2945-washing-machine-fast-wash.html
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K.
I rarely see a Prius doing less than 70 on a motorway, seems their ego prefers to be ahead. I had one race me at a 100 and would not give in. :offtopic: :boops:
Its true that dosage advice is incorrect, making people use less will hit the profits and the boys giving us the dose :rotfl: are well aware that most women are well (dumb, upsets another part of society) not open to receiving advice from men when it comes to doing the washing therefore what is the point.
Lidl, well if your middle your lidl these days. Nothing wrong with there products, just too small for variety, although there are whispers that could change in future.
Personally giving wash advice in my experience is a waste of my time, I just point people onto the web, if there that bothered they’ll google, if not there likely to not follow your advice and continue doing it there way.
Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
And if they choose to ignore it then it’s more drum support changes for me, did two WM supports last week. 🙂
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lee8 wrote:Personally giving wash advice in my experience is a waste of my time,
Perhaps you aren’t qualified to give it then Lee8 or even recognise when it is essential in fault diagnosis and the need in recommending preventative advice? True it’s not essential in assessing ones skillset in officially recognised qualifications, but is part and parcel of doing our job correctly. So read and learn all the advice we give here on UKW and, whilst your time is precious, do strive to find a little time to expand your knowledge and be more helpful toward educating others. 😀
Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
Ah of course Martin your assumptions are correct.
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Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
No matter how much “knowledge” you poses and share with people, when Mrs Smith see’s 20{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} off a powder or liquid, chances are that little piece of your advice will have been long forgotten.
Thats assuming when you started giving advice or in her eyes lecturing her on her inability to do something she’s been doing daily for many years, she’ll be assuming, you being a typical middle aged man having only read about it and are full of sh88.
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Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
In my experience the customer is the one that asks for advise in the first place.
Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
I am not confused, just that the dosage of the powder as Ken said have not changed. I am trying to understand the logic as the drum size got bigger, does this means the water consumption has remained the same thus the dosage of the powder remained the same regardless the size of the drum? The eco setting to get the best use of the A rated be it single plus or three pluses only applies to specific program often uses less water which may lead to over foaming. The quick wash (30 to 1hr program) often uses a lot more water than the eco setting just like the 80’s and 90’s machine.
Most of my customers want speed rather than economy and plumped for the best A rated machine even though it would not make any difference to them in terms of economy, therefore the dosage of the powder does affect the type washing program they use if they use the quick wash program. Quick wash means more water thus more powder, the eco wash means less water thus less powder. So my query being is there a ratio of powder to water in order to be effective?
For example :- To make cement, you need one part cement powder and two parts water and you get the product, so my logic being does this applies to washing detergent (not that I am suggesting to put cement mix in the soap drawer to see what happens although I would have liked to on certain machine!)
Does this make sense?
Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
Okay, you’ve just tripped on what appears to be one of the fundamental reasons for both consumer and engineer confusion in this area.
In the olden days….
The water level was governed by a physical analogue pressure switch that (more or less) cut off at a pre-determined water level. People could see the water on the door, often half ways up it due to a smaller drum et all.
There was up to three times as much water used as in a modern washer.
Fast forward to today…
We have extremely low levels of water being used, most people won’t even see it and this in larger capacity all in a big to lower energy use.
But, if you reduce the water and the energy levels you HAVE to increase the wash time to replicate the cleaning effect. Sorry, it’s a physical fact that is wholly inescapable.
People complain about the wash times because, by comparison, they take 2-3 times what the older machines did.
So, manufacturers introduce fast washes to answer that.
They don’t do what they think they do twicknix, they are designed for lightly soiled stuff which is, “worn once, not next to skin”. In other words, utterly useless for much more than outer garments.
These new washes don’t clean properly and are being used by people completely incorrectly. People think that they’ll get spanking clean clothes from these washes and, for the most part, that is a wholly incorrect assumption.
Meanwhile the modern machine has infinitely variable pressure sensors that will fill only as much as is required based on the wash program selected and the laundry type and volume in the drum (different fabrics, different absorbency levels) to minimise energy use even more.
That means that putting the same amount of detergent is every time, probably not going to end well given that every single wash cycle will be different with different load levels and water volume.
But I see (a lot) what the muppets do especially where they have a problem which is to put the same detergent load in every time irrespective of the load size and/or program used. Never understanding that they can save an absolute fortune by using the machine and detergent properly.
And, there you go, over foaming, residues, ghost no drain faults and a host of other problems.
It cracks me up that they go buy an A++++++… machine then waste a small fortune on excessive detergent use as well as all the other garbage they buy. Those cost them absolute fortunes beyond what they would ever save when they sought out the largest capacity most energy frugal machine they could get for the budget.
Mind you, most couldn’t tell you the difference between colour or normal, bio and non-bio or that they really don’t need conditioner at all let alone any other of the expensive muck that the supermarkets and manufacturers are falling over themselves to sell people to solve a problem that, if they used the washing machine and other stuff correctly, they’d never have in the first place.
K.
Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
If I am not mistaken, the A rated wash and the Eco wash settings/ ratings are not the same.
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No.
However you will find that none can replicate a proper wash cycle and that is not their intended purpose or use.
Even if that’s not the “notion” that is presented in many marketing communications.
K.
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Slightly :offtopic:
So no one knows what is the correct dosage of detergent for any machines? Is it a case of trial and error to see if a white boxer shorts is free from skid marks? If not then apply more powder until it comes out pure white, failing that buy a new pair and wear once every time?
And how does the A+++ applies to the machine and is it program specific or just the 60degrees cotton wash? Can anyone be sure on how efficient their A rated machine?
Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
Correct, there is no magic number, only rough guidelines as each machine can vary. I mean, we know full well that different machines have different size drums, tanks and so on therefore it isn’t possible for detergent manufacturers to put a dosage level on the pack and be correct 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the time.
Then consider the load size.
Even if it’s a 60 litre drum that isn’t to say that it’s filled to the theoretical maximum on every load, therefore the dose has to be adjusted to take that into account.
But that dose would be different, albeit slightly to a 55 litre drum for example.
What dose is used depends on that as well as the soil level and water hardness. In other words, in practical terms, infinitely variable.
In a lot of instances, it’s just a case of trial and error sadly.
No, on A++++ or whatever, the same principals will apply to all programs generally as they all use the same components but the ratings are tested for the EU label based on the 60?C cotton cycle.
K.
Re: Ariel or Almat, Which is best?
slight change but same theme
ive often wondered how dishwashers manage to run on different progs with the 3-1 tabs
ie user put on quick wash , next time on intensive
tablet still goes and results seem to be ok ?
i would suspect on the quick wash there will be a trace of detergent left on the plates etc ?.
ally
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