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We picked this one up for the workshop today and split the tub to get at the bearings. Surprisingly it’s only about three years old which seemed unusual for a bosch but we needed to establish the state of the drum spider before giving a full estimate.
Once open i realised that the bearings must in fact be of the finest quality, as we all know the cause of their failure is due to water ingress after the seal fails. Why quality you ask?….well in fact these bearings had made it through three years of normal domestic use WITH NO SEAL FITTED!! 😯
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please tell me it came from a multiple and was on a ridiculous special offer!
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Used to get Hotpoint 95’s i/g with the same ‘fault’.
They lasted about 3 months 😉 .TC
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Had a Bosch with failed bearings last week, 26 months old.
Sadly it had a sealed drum. :rolls: 😥
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iadom wrote:Had a Bosch with failed bearings last week, 26 months old.
Sadly it had a sealed drum. :rolls: 😥
And probably DID have a water seal fitted 😯 rather ironic i would say & kinda sums up the cost cutting thats going on.
Dont think i’ve ever fitted bearings to a Bosch open plastic drum, though have done a few stainless ones over years.
I would REALLY love to know what it saves on build costs to fit these things instead of a decent drum.. 10 euros ??
During the 90’s, Mercedes-Benz learned how quickly you can loose a hard earned reputation through letting your accounts dept rule over your design & engineering dept, it usually ends up in LOWER profits long term.Dear, dear, where will it end? :rolls:
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It might have more to do with low water levels than quality of bearings.
Then again if only Bosch were as good as the people they pay to assemble there products. 😆
Is it possible the seal broke/washed away due to the bearings being unable to take the strain of the wash load whilst stay intact.
Having said that up until 2004 bearing failures within FUG were rare, since the poly tub was introduced both FUG and FOC calls have increased.
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lee8 wrote:
Is it possible the seal broke/washed away due to the bearings being unable to take the strain of the wash load whilst stay intact.
Certainly not in this case…as i said we needed to establish the condition of the spider to determine the cost of repair, well a quick wipe to remove the scum/soap residue revealed the seal collar on the spider which was totally shiny and untouched! 😆
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lee8 wrote:Quality control.
😆
In China. 😉
Poland or Germany looking at that pic.
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The only Chinese Bosch appliance I know of is the free standing washer dryer.
And far as washer dryers go, it’s not that bad.I don’t know how this appliance left the factory with the seal missing (if it did). But three years before failure???????
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BSH operate three factories in China.
Chuzhou which produces Refrigeration.
Nanjing which has four factories, one produces motors, one Washers, one small appliances, one cooking.
Wuxi, which produces washers.
Both Nanjing and Wuxi export to Europe, Nanjing has capacity to produce 10,000,000 units per annum and Wuxi produces 700,000 units per annum.
BSH expansion policy has mostly included investment in countries pre excisting companies, such as Wuxi which BSH holds 60{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} control alongside Wuxi Little Swan Ltd.
Its not the factories that are import its the people who design the products thats important.
All the little Chinese designer has to do is E-Mail the specs to Poland and the appliance is produced.
Now does that mean its a German appliance, a Polish or a Chinese.
One of the biggest reasons BSH invests in other companies is to reduce costs, it sells cheap machines and brands them Bosch etc etc.
A large percentage of Washers built in Poland and Spain where designed by Balay techs in Spain using designs from the old Balay company.
Just because its a German owned company does not mean there high quality.
They simply E-Mail the various factories the specs found in cheaper companies they purchased.
When I was in Spain, I owned a Balay W/M and Dishwasher, they were the same as the Bosch models, only about 130 Euros cheaper.
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BSH operate three factories in China.
Chuzhou which produces Refrigeration.
Nanjing which has four factories, one produces motors, one Washers, one small appliances, one cooking.
Wuxi, which produces washers.
Both Nanjing and Wuxi export to Europe, Nanjing has capacity to produce 10,000,000 units per annum and Wuxi produces 700,000 units per annum.
BSH expansion policy has mostly included investment in countries pre excisting companies, such as Wuxi which BSH holds 60{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} control alongside Wuxi Little Swan Ltd.
Its not the factories that are import its the people who design the products thats important.
Very true.All the little Chinese designer has to do is E-Mail the specs to Poland and the appliance is produced.
Are you saying that Chinese factory design a washer for the Polish factory to produce?Now does that mean its a German appliance, a Polish or a Chinese.
German. They own it.
One of the biggest reasons BSH invests in other companies is to reduce costs, it sells cheap machines and brands them Bosch etc etc.[/
I would suggest the reason is because those companies are already established in that country or market.
A large percentage of Washers built in Poland and Spain where designed by Balay techs in Spain using designs from the old Balay company.
Evidence?
Just because its a German owned company does not mean there high quality.
No, but they have been successful for several reasons.
They simply E-Mail the various factories the specs found in cheaper companies they purchased.I could E-Mail you the specs of many companies products without the expense of the acquisition.
When I was in Spain, I owned a Balay W/M and Dishwasher, they were the same as the Bosch models, only about 130 Euros cheaper.[/quote]
Bosch have owned Balay for many years.I remember working on a pre BSH Balay dishwasher that did not share anything with the Bosch appliances of the time or since
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