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Re: Bosch quality bearings!
It was a polite question and didn’t really merit such an off hand response. :rolls:
I am well aware of Hotpoint dishwashers made by Lincoln in France in the early 1970’s, later made by Bosch, Fagor, Brandt, their own production and also the Bosch built under license, plus the latest Indesit monstrosity.
I was not trying to point score but was genuinely interested in finding out which Indesit dishwashers are made by Bosch. 🙂
From your earlier post.
With a standard Bosch fault,M/C dead, pull off module to find suprise track blown on control module, the heater section of the circuit.
Same machine can also be found as an Indersit.
Jim.
Re: Bosch quality bearings!
Perhaps I am getting the wrong end of the stick, do you mean that Hotpoint dishwashers are made by both Bosch & Indesit or that there are Indesit badged machines out there that are made by Bosch.?
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Can’t imagine B/S/H producing an appliance for Indesit.
I guess all Hotpoint dishwashers are now produced by Indesit.Re: Bosch quality bearings!
kwatt wrote:
BSH-MAN wrote:
Now does that mean its a German appliance, a Polish or a Chinese.German. They own it.
The perception by the consumer is that the goods are German made and, by inference, a quality product produced and built in Germany. And, they expect all the trappings that go with that, of course for buttons.
The reality is not that.
That’s not to say that many others aren’t the same, a helluva lot of people thing Hoover is British (mad, I know) and that Hotpoint is still made in good old England.
It’s a brand perception thing.
K.
I know what you are saying, but when you explain to customers that a Bosch factory in Germany is the same as Bosch factory in Poland and that only the shop floor language gives away the location, they tend to understand.
Same design,same materials,same production,same tooling etc. 🙂Re: Bosch quality bearings!
BSH-MAN wrote:Can’t imagine B/S/H producing an appliance for Indesit.
I guess all Hotpoint dishwashers are now produced by Indesit.Or Wuxi Little Swan in China. 😥 :rolls:
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BSH-MAN wrote:I know what you are saying, but when you explain to customers that a Bosch factory in Germany is the same as Bosch factory in Poland and that only the shop floor language gives away the location, they tend to understand.
Same design,same materials,same production,same tooling etc. 🙂So, the obvious question then becomes, is the cost cutting global and happening the same in Germany as it is in other territories? 😉
K.
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This are made by Jinan Hitone Electrical appliance company and sold in Europe, I believe the UK as well.The Hotpoint confused me because when I looked inside all the trays, cutlery basket and sump assembly was Bosch.
I had to double check it was a Hotpoint and not client mistake, it also had the etched model and info details on the inner door near door lock, as with a BSH product.
And suprise a BSH module with the same electronic issue that BSH issued a tech info regarding the high failure rate of the model.
When I priced only the price of the component, the same module aslo had other models this fits on the info, Indesit was listed but no model numbers.
So I`m not 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} sure, but its possible the large supplier got it wrong.
But if an Hotpoint is made by BSH, its possible that the factory that produced the BSH badged item also supplies Ariston Indesit as well.
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BSH-MAN wrote:
I know what you are saying, but when you explain to customers that a Bosch factory in Germany is the same as Bosch factory in Poland and that only the shop floor language gives away the location, they tend to understand.
Same design,same materials,same production,same tooling etc. 🙂Its not though, my point is Bosch are using the tooling from cheaper sources.
There is this myth around Bosch and German products.
BSH Espana when I worked there were using mainly Balay methods and policy and badging the products Bosch around Europe.
I have to say though since I left BSH Espana, they have listened to advice and are quickly catching up in all areas from supply to Tech`s in the field.
When I was there Tech in the field didn`t have tools supplied by the company as they couldn`t be bothered.
They`d send guys to the local DIY stores and buy stuff, then refuse to pay them. 😥
The whole company was a mess.
They`ve now cut a lot of the old corruption and brought in German managment.
Re: Bosch quality bearings!
….well this particular model is WAE24162UK/01, now replete with new bearings AND seal 😆
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kwatt wrote:
BSH-MAN wrote:
I know what you are saying, but when you explain to customers that a Bosch factory in Germany is the same as Bosch factory in Poland and that only the shop floor language gives away the location, they tend to understand.
Same design,same materials,same production,same tooling etc. 🙂So, the obvious question then becomes, is the cost cutting global and happening the same in Germany as it is in other territories? 😉
K.
Germany mostly produces the higher range washers due to the higher production costs.
The B/S/H dishwasher factories in Spain, Germany and Poland are very competitive with each other! You would not believe the effort they put into quality control when they have to justify there own existence. 😉
The latest I heard is that the Polish factory had a slightly lower failure rate than the German one!I know the washers look a lot cheaper (they are) than they did fifteen years ago, but (I.M.H.O.) I do think they are more reliable on the whole.
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Well, I haven’t come across any Bosch timer/modules destroyed by shorted interlock or throwing a wobbly because it’s too damp. Nor for that matter have I had to replace more than a handful of spiders. It’s brushes or filter/pump, rarely anything worse.
Mike.Re: Bosch quality bearings!
Doing plenty of dishwasher wash motor jobs but thats another story.
Love working on bosch. 8)Re: Bosch quality bearings!
LJDomestics wrote:Doing plenty of dishwasher wash motor jobs but thats another story.
Love working on bosch. 8)That’ll be the lovely water quality in Pools :rolls:
Re: Bosch quality bearings!
There is a trick I learn in Spain for jamned Bosch Circulation pumps.
Its usually down to hard water etc.
Instead of removing all the motor etc.
Get a 14mf Capacitor, wire it on and run for a second or two, it`ll free the motor and you won`t have any other issue.
Unless the motor is blocked by something or the seal is fcuked.
I told me after I kept replacing seal kits as the area was high in calcium
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