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Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
I wonder what this is like, yes I know it’s made by Arclik (What a name haha!)
Seems to be one of the cheapest machines with a 5 year warranty though!
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
It’s a Beko.
They own the Grundig Brand, Arcelik is the parent company of Beko who are in turn owned by Koc Holdings… no, not kidding.
K.
Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
What is your hang up about sealed drums Mr rustyspoons? Your engineering background instinct is very laudable however you will also know how poor electronics are all part of today’s appliances. In the vast majority of cases with washing machines they have ‘electronic system issues’ long before the bearings fail.
Apart from that the heater, the fill mechanism, the drive motor and drain fail or wear out just as quickly. So by the time the bearings are shot the rest of what’s left is a time bomb with an irrational fuse anyway.
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The throw away mentality I expect Martin.
Which would seem to be something you think is fine in light of your comments.
K.
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
kwatt wrote:The throw away mentality I expect Martin.
Which would seem to be something you think is fine in light of your comments.
I’m a realist Ken, fully in touch with today’s trends by what the public demands. In this case demanding split tubs, I appreciate that. Though that demand is from a tiny, fractional minority. The vast overwhelming want cheap, cheap and even cut to the bone cheaper.
It’s NOT fine by me, nor will it ever be given my vast experience over 5 decades in the white goods trade. But what has happened over those decades is that ‘technology’ has produced a product that satisfies public demand in both price and functionality. Sadly the upshot of that is that those products HAVE become ‘throwaway’. And that is where the manufacturers have complied with the current strict recycling guidelines in producing a throwaway product where ‘technology’ yet again triumphs in that best part of 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} or more can be recycled into clothing, insulation products and even carrier bags.
So, in the light of these facts I figured it out and I stand by my comments. 😉
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
Martin wrote:What is your hang up about sealed drums Mr rustyspoons? Your engineering background instinct is very laudable however you will also know how poor electronics are all part of today’s appliances. In the vast majority of cases with washing machines they have ‘electronic system issues’ long before the bearings fail.
Apart from that the heater, the fill mechanism, the drive motor and drain fail or wear out just as quickly. So by the time the bearings are shot the rest of what’s left is a time bomb with an irrational fuse anyway.
I vote with my wallet, I wish the rest of the population would do the same, I really do not want a throw away item, it is not because I am tight, if I like a product I would like it to last, I hate the hassle of trying to find something I actually like and functions perfectly.
And it’s laughable when I am viewing machines in showrooms that I hear people talk about about buying a machine and go by the badge on the front, as they were a good brand 20 years ago, we as consumers are conned, badge engineering, nearly everything is a re-branded Vestel these days.2 Things I don’t want, a non user serviceable drain filter, this is something I clean out every few months and I have found things that shouldn’t be in there, I like to keep them clean for a clean wash too, built in “non user serviceable” filters are for greedy manufacturers or service networks supported by that manufacturer.
A sealed tub, this is not only ridiculous in terms of not being able to strip the drum down to change bearings the spider or remove a dreaded bra wire or coin, the WEEE have done this in a counter productive way, yes it recycles easier, but more machines going to landfill and a bigger carbon footprint, not to mention smaller bearings as a result of this too.
The demise of every machine I have owned was bearings, if I liked the machine enough i’d do the brushes and bearings, find it quite therapeutic 🙂 And gives you a good feeling knowing it will work for longer.
Yeah I’ve had other issues on machines, solenoids, door switches, torn door seals, control boards, but I’ve repaired those with ease and the same can go for any item with moving parts or electronics.
One of my cars is a 30 year old BMW E28 Shark Nose 5 series, it just keeps going and going with preventative maintenance, I have no reason to get rid of it, it was my late fathers car who passed away last year, he was a Fabricator/Welder/Engineer and I was brought up to fix everything.
I have worked as a Electronic and Mechanical engineer and do enjoy fixing things, it annoys me being short changed, it seems this day in age we cannot buy anything of quality, pay more and get more gadgets not build quality.
I bought a Naim audio Amplifier last year, cost way more than it should have, but I will have it 20-30 years, so it’s actually good value for money.
I have a repair bench at home with multimeters, 300mhz digital scope, hakko/weller temp controlled soldering stations, SMD rework tools, programmers for nearly every programmable flash/eprom/eeprom/pic/atmega etc.
So if the electronics fail, i’d have a damn good job of getting it going again, I’d enjoy the challenge.
So in a long winded way this is why I don’t want a sealed drum, it prohibits my chance of repair.
Ultimately I don’t want it to break, but if it does I’ll get it going.
I’m still undecided, I have seen a Siemens on sale in John Lewis with a split drum, but looking at the part catalogue, it seems to be the same as a £350 Bosch sold for £500 and in turn I think it may just be a Balay!, talking of Balay I looked at their product line up, they even have the same stamped casing as the Bosch/Siemens and the same function names, “Variodooberywhatsit”
Now are these Bosch designed Balay or Balay designed Bosch, so hard to work it all out.
LG seems at the top of my list at the moment, or I will get a 1990’s machine from the 2nd hand market and refurb it, I did used to like the old Philips Whirlpool (The ones radio rentals used) or a real AEG, but I guess times have moved on and I might be stuck in the past 😀
Miele is getting tempting for just a couple of quid more, but after that 5 years, can I get parts myself? Are they as good as people say. The way I am going I will end up with a Wascator, good job i’m currently single, the Ex insisted on Hotpoint :rotfl:Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
Miele it is then, a tad over budget but by going OTT you’ll get the 20 yrs reliability you want. And yes, you can get the parts and DIY if the need arises in that time.
Sub £500 nooooo!
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
Looking at a Miele WDA111 today in John Lewis, 5 year warranty and £50 cashback, so works out around £650. Seems to tick all the boxes, love the utilitarian look of it if i’m honest.
Sorely tempted!
Now I need to find a freestanding induction cooker 😆
Martin wrote:Miele it is then, a tad over budget but by going OTT you’ll get the 20 yrs reliability you want. And yes, you can get the parts and DIY if the need arises in that time.
Sub £500 nooooo!
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
Nearly all set to get the WDA111, then I saw a Gorenje W8543D for £209 with a 5 year warranty?
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
You could buy 3 of those for the price of one Miele. There must be a reason for that…..hmm?
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
Martin wrote:You could buy 3 of those for the price of one Miele. There must be a reason for that…..hmm?
15 years of worry free washing for the price of a Miele… :rotfl:
Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?
You’ve almost discovered ‘perpetual motion’ right there buddy…..:D
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Well I went for a Miele WDA111, needed the sloping front as the pipes/taps are behind the washing machine. And also wanted the 5 year warranty.
Seems a well built bit of kit, but one thing is bothering me, it doesn’t seem to be level wherever I put it in the kitchen, I noticed this when I un-boxed it, I’m certain the floor is level! I know I can adjust it on it’s feet, but seems with the legs wound all the way up it’s a little bit out, i can rock it across two corners slightly. I have never come across this with a machine before?
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