Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

[rustyspoons]

I need to buy a new washing machine, just split up with a partner and moving to a flat on my own, left last washing machine behind.

I have been looking at AEG Bosch/Siemens, Ideally I want a split tub as I will service the bearings if they ever go, have about £300-£500 for a washing machine, 8kg drum with a 1400 speed.

I did find the Bosch/Siemens part website, but every model I looked at had a sealed drum!

Also I did consider a Zanussi, but why oh why have they removed the ability for the user to clean the sump filter?! What a daft idea, guess they have taken a leaf out of Indesit’s book!

Any help with the above would be appreciated 🙂

[kwatt]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

So far as I have seen there are a few Bosch machines that can be split but, not easily and it’s hard to see which can be.

A few AEG/Zanussi/Electrolux machines but, not many and, it’s pot luck really.

Maybe a few Vestel built machines, good luck finding them though.

Other than that, pretty much all sealed tanks now.

K.

[Tom]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

I think the montpellier machines have split drums.
tom

[kwatt]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

Some of the Amica ones do also but, without looking up a specific model you can’t say for sure that statement would apply to all models. And, it could change with the next round of models as we all know. 🙁

K.

[rustyspoons]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

Thanks for the replies.

I could get a sealed drum, but I hate the idea of not being able to change bearings.

I’ve been looking at Bosch and Siemens, I have found 2 Bosch that have a split drum, this is one of them:
http://www.euronics.co.uk/laundry/washi … 490gb/1720

Though I have no idea how good a “Maxx” range is, it seems lower Bosch models have split drums, which is a bit odd?

I have been looking at Miele but self repair concerns me with available parts etc.

[kwatt]

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Uhm, yeah, well…

The splittable ones appear to be from the Balay plant in Spain.

They can be split but you need to cut of the tabs from the drum that hold it together then reseal with a kit that has bolts and stuff in it, about £40.

K.

[rustyspoons]

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What are the Balay plant ones like? I’ve been looking at a Siemens IQ300 as well, sealed drum though. What’s the score with LG, mum has one and loves it, can you change bearings on those or do bearings last longer?

Just trying to work out what’s the best machine for this price range.

[kwatt]

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LG you can still replace the bearings so far as I know.

Malay ones are the cheap as chips Bosch machines. I’ll let you work that out. 😉

K.

[rustyspoons]

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kwatt wrote:LG you can still replace the bearings so far as I know.

Malay ones are the cheap as chips Bosch machines. I’ll let you work that out. 😉

K.

Is there a quick way to find out if it’s a Balay Bosch when looking at them in the store?

[kwatt]

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Nope. They’re not too keen in letting people know that the “quality German product” is actually built in Spain or China or Poland or Turkey or….

All you’ll get is “Made In EU” maybe while the ones built in Germany will say “Made In Germany” normally.

That does not mean to say that they are all German, Spanish or whatever as components can come from anywhere. Country of origin is only (as far as I am aware) where the last “major” process is undertaken, like fitting the door or something. So, as an indicator, it’s often next to useless.

K.

[rustyspoons]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

kwatt wrote:Nope. They’re not too keen in letting people know that the “quality German product” is actually built in Spain or China or Poland or Turkey or….

All you’ll get is “Made In EU” maybe while the ones built in Germany will say “Made In Germany” normally.

That does not mean to say that they are all German, Spanish or whatever as components can come from anywhere. Country of origin is only (as far as I am aware) where the last “major” process is undertaken, like fitting the door or something. So, as an indicator, it’s often next to useless.

K.

So there is no way of knowing if you are getting a good Bosch or a Cheapy 🙁
That’s a nightmare!

Any machines you recommend?

[don]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

Hi

If it’s a Bosch you are after then the WAE24167 has a split drum. You will need to act fast as there are not many left.

Cracking price as well.

Don

[rustyspoons]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

Hi Don, not specifically looking for a Bosch, just the best machine I can get for under £500.

I had a look at that model you suggested. It’s too basic and I assume it’s a Balay Bosch too.

[kwatt]

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rustyspoons wrote:So there is no way of knowing if you are getting a good Bosch or a Cheapy 🙁

Well, a few months back I took apart a brand new “German” Bosch that had a sealed tank, sealed door, same dampers as a £200 Beko and a few other things that kinda made it clear that, it really wasn’t worth the £700 asking price. Looked nice on the outside though and its got a Bosch badge slapped on it so, they’ll sell them.

The Spanish one, you could split the door, tank and the rest was much the same. But, while the tank can be split, as I said, you need to cut the tabs off it, bust it open, then seal it back up with a £40 (IIRC) as well as put bearings in it. I’d guess more than a few will see a skip before they see that being done.

All Hotpoint, Indesit etc are now sealed.

All Beko are sealed.

Most Electrolux are sealed.

Whirlpool I think are that way as well now.

Candy Group, including Hoover, all sealed.

Gorenje I think are going that way now too.

You may be sensing a trend as that’s probably upwards of 70-80{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the market. 😉

But, people want cheap, cheap, cheap and, this is one of the ways that they all do that.

Sadly you are one of the minority thinking about it before you find out what a pile of rubbish you may be about to buy. More people just care about the price, the energy rating, the spin speed and how much energy it uses, not about whether it’s any good or not.

They find that out too late most often.

K.

[rustyspoons]

Re: Can I get a Non Sealed Tub Washing Machine Sub £500?

kwatt wrote:

rustyspoons wrote:
So there is no way of knowing if you are getting a good Bosch or a Cheapy 🙁

Well, a few months back I took apart a brand new “German” Bosch that had a sealed tank, sealed door, same dampers as a £200 Beko and a few other things that kinda made it clear that, it really wasn’t worth the £700 asking price. Looked nice on the outside though and its got a Bosch badge slapped on it so, they’ll sell them.

The Spanish one, you could split the door, tank and the rest was much the same. But, while the tank can be split, as I said, you need to cut the tabs off it, bust it open, then seal it back up with a £40 (IIRC) as well as put bearings in it. I’d guess more than a few will see a skip before they see that being done.

All Hotpoint, Indesit etc are now sealed.

All Beko are sealed.

Most Electrolux are sealed.

Whirlpool I think are that way as well now.

Candy Group, including Hoover, all sealed.

Gorenje I think are going that way now too.

You may be sensing a trend as that’s probably upwards of 70-80{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the market. 😉

But, people want cheap, cheap, cheap and, this is one of the ways that they all do that.

Sadly you are one of the minority thinking about it before you find out what a pile of rubbish you may be about to buy. More people just care about the price, the energy rating, the spin speed and how much energy it uses, not about whether it’s any good or not.

They find that out too late most often.

K.

Thank you for taking the time to write a concise and informative reply.

I hate buying cheap rubbish, I don’t care how aesthetically pleasing something is or how many flashing lights and useless features something has, it’s whats on the inside that counts. Well unless we are talking about women :boops:

Well it’s such a sorry state of affairs with consumer goods in Europe, when I bought my last machine it was the Plastic drum housing debacle, now we have sealed plastic drums? Not to mention the lack of user serviceable drain filters on some models!!!

So these machines all brag about their A+++ rating, what about the other environmental credentials, serviceability should be key, governments should stamp down on this nonsense.

I want to pay more for quality, not pay more for gimmicks, but that seems to be the way!

Having worked as an service engineer and an electronics engineer all my life I have seen my fair share of good and bad, not worked as a service engineer on white goods, but principles remain the same.

Wow, a Bosch with the same parts as a Beko, it just all seems to be in the badge on the front then.

I was actually looking at a Posh Beko a Blomberg the other day, looked okay to be fair and had a long warranty, no idea if they are any good however, but I have nothing against Beko, they seem to be the best for real cheap appliances.

Well I really do not know what to buy, think I will rule B/S/H built machines, I used to like AEG, I know they are Electrolux now, but they are identical to the Zanussi which is £200 cheaper!

Shame the ISE thing didn’t work out, they looked like interesting machines.

So where do I go here, I’m getting fed up of looking at service manuals now, do I get a el cheapo Beko or something, or is there anything out there that will last! I think costco had twin tubs last time I went in there :rotfl:

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