Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

[diy_johnny]

I smashed my oven door and replacement cost is just too much so will buy a new oven. However I am confused by the single ovens. My old Neff was a plug in type.
Can I plug this one in. Its for sale in John Lewis and they say: Requires 16 amps power setting and cooker point connection.,

There is a radial circuit and only a washing machine / gas hob and existing single electric oven plugged in

The new oven has a 2.9KW, so I would have thought this is ok but I am confused by the 16amps power setting note above?

[Martin]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

That oven requires its own dedicated power supply so you will need to contact a local electrician that is ‘Part P registered’ with the local authority. See installation instructions below…..

[diy_johnny]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

thanks for checking martin

I rang Neff and they said all their oven’s have to be on a dedicated circuit (which I don’t have). Are they just covering themselves? I am confused now, as its 2.9KW which is similar to many other ovens, does that mean all electric ovens on this power supply need to be on a dedicated circuit? What am, I missing here?

I suppose the real question is: what oven should I buy for around £400 that is a good build quality and can be plugged in? Not interested in any fancy cooking settings, just reliability

Thanks Martin

PS: I will be getting all my spare parts from you chaps from now on!

[Martin]

Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

Don is our man that knows many of the current ovens available these days. I fix them and don’t flog them. A lot of the cheap brand single ovens are fitted with your requested 13amp plug. Neff isn’t a cheap brand. 😉

[diy_johnny]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

well surprisingly there is a Neff one for £380 so was going to get that. Should be ok I think 🙂

[diy_johnny]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

Martin, i just reread that again, the bit where is says

In the installation, there must be an all-pin isolating switch with at least 3 mm contact gap, or the appliance must be connected
using a plug with an earthing contact.

I have a separate ring circuit in the kitchen with 32MCB, serving two double sockets with only a washing machine and fridge. I would have thought a 2.9KW would be fine for this. W/M is what 2.4kW at a guess and plugs are behind a unit so nothing elkse could be plugged in like a kettle

I wonder what the guide above means when they refer to plug

[lee8]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

There are 2 ways of looking at it. You could plug it in to any old socket with a 13 amp plug, it’s below 3000 watt, so why not. The best route though would be not to question the recommendations of the experts who designed the product and get it installed correctly. It will help in the long run, the alternative may result in you having to justify to a court why you did not, it’ll save you money as well as your insurance will not cover the costs caused by any damage.

It’s a lot easier and cheaper & it’s very embarrassing when you hear a person explaining their reasons and seeing the sudden realisation that there justifications really do sound dumb.

[Martin]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

My colleague lee8 cuts to the quick doesn’t he? Though he means well and often speaks wisely as in this case. The oven illustrated doesn’t come with a moulded plug so it has to be ‘hard wired’ on a separate circuit. So seek one with the moulding plug and your problem solved.

[diy_johnny]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

Lee
there is no need to be rude.

The point of my post is an educational one. I am quoting what Neff have stated, (as quoted by Martin above). Neff themselves have said “or the appliance must be connected using a plug with an earthing contact”. By your condescending post I must be misunderstanding this statement. Maybe you can send a disrespectful email to Neff too for printing a potentially misleading statement.

If the oven doesn’t come with a plug, one could equally assume that the installer must provide a suitable cord ‘or’ it should be hardwired.
– That is my confusion, which you and martin have answered, thanks –

I am not trying to justify a botch job but I don’t have a dedicated power supply from the MCB. Putting one in means knocking of tiles, taking units and chasing solid walls and potentially digging up a floor. Hence I make no apologies for trying to clarify confusing statements written by the actual manufacturer.

[Martin]

Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

I would’nt buy that model if you intend sharing the supply with other appliances all the same. The cheaper brands with the 13amp plug just have two heat options, grill or fan oven whereas the Neff has a variety of cooking options that draws far too much current for a 13amp supply.

[lee8]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

I’m not being rude, instructions are there for a reason, to ensure that the product is used to its full capability and to ensure the safe installation & use, there not to be questioned. In fact many engineers don’t experience the issues customers have, it’s mainly down to those factors. If clients followed those simply rules, l would likely be out of a job, but daily l experience stupid on a level that it’s down to luck that people learn from there mistakes, one of the biggest being that of not following simple instructions.

Your first post stated it required a 16 amp power and a cooker point connection, your posted comments indicated you want to fit something else. You also stated Neff informed you all their ovens require a dedicated supply. You indicated you do not have one, that your confused now and what are you missing.

It’s plain to me, if your instructions require it, fit it. If you cannot then you either buy a cheap low output cooker with little function ability or rewire your kitchen.

What l don’t want you to do is believe it would be ok to plug it in and find one night your oven begins cooking your kitchen and possibly your family. It happens, l wrote here about a cooker installed on a dishwasher cable, plugged into an extension lead and decided after a few yrs of heating the cable it was then time to set the kitchen alight. The insurance company had issue with paying out for the damage.

There are idiots in this world and some come across as clever, but they still make very bad decisions due to there inability to just follow simple instructions, they know it all.

[Andy jones]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

I find myself agreeing with lee, what’s the world coming to, time for my meds 🙂

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[diy_johnny]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

Thats fine guys, but others still are missing the point of my follow up questions.

The total connect load is stated at 2.9KW so I didn’t understand why you need 16amp fuse. That is what I was asking. If I picked the next range up, the 3.4kw one, then I see where the 16amp comes in , but I was asking about the 2.9KW verson

I fully accept the instructions are there for a reason and I am happy to follow them but instructions contradict each other. Neff say on the phone that it has to be hard wired yet their own documentation state “or the appliance must be connected using a plug with an earthing contact”.That is the 3rd time I have posted that quote and yet no one here has still given a reason why NEFF gave conflicting statements (as it appears to me), but would rather make smart-ass comments. Nor has anyone explain why two cookers rated the same KW require two different types of connections. Furthermore the existing NEFF oven is a 2.8kW oven and that is plugged in. This was done a certified electrician on a partial rewire.

Yes I am not a electrician but lets have a sensible conversation rather than unwarranted remarks about fires, burning houses down. That is simply foolish and scaremongering.

If it was plugged in using a 13amp fuse and suitable flex on a 2.5mm ring circuit (and we all agree it shouldn’t be now), and the cooker did indeed require 16amp (which in my limited understand of electrics how than can happen on a 2.9KW total load, I don’t know) and then surely the fuse in the plug would simply melt. If the 2.5mm ring melted then the 32MCB is not doing its job, or the cable is damaged? This is my laypersons understanding of electrics but you or others can point out if my understanding is incorrect.

Please someone explain where the danger of fire comes from? I genuinely want to know.I am interested in gaining knowledge and have no interest in internet forum squabbles

Rather than say, “do this, do that, otherwise you’re stupid”, you should justify your arguments for sake of education and for others reading the forum. If its a case where by you don’t want to state something as it could be misinterpreted, lead to people unknown scenarios and potentially dangerous, then fine, but you should state that.

Anyway I have lost interest in this forum. The point of these forums is for education of the public, not to demonstrate arrogance of the professional. Its unfriendly and impossible to have sensible conversation.

[Martin]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

diy_johnny wrote:I fully accept the instructions are there for a reason and I am happy to follow them but instructions contradict each other. Neff say on the phone that it has to be hard wired yet their own documentation state “or the appliance must be connected using a plug with an earthing contact”.That is the 3rd time I have posted that quote and yet no one here has still given a reason why NEFF gave conflicting statements (as it appears to me),

You are correct in that the two instructions do indeed contradict. And I am lost as to what Neff’s translation is of a plug with an earthing contact. But perhaps and because Neff are a German company maybe their German/English translation of the installation instructions is incorrect and for “plug” read “outlet” maybe?

Irrespective of that potential ‘typo’ error collectively we agree at least that this appliance should be hard wired to its own dedicated supply source. You had the good sense to contact Neff and they themselves confirmed this. So alls well that ends well.

Besides that, and going back to those rather confusing instructions for a moment, you couldn’t even adopt the “plug with an earthing contact” method as it also states in the following sentence “This must remain accessible after installation”. And as you mentioned earlier on, that would not be the case with your installation would it?

[lee8]

Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?

You need to research single pole, double pole and polarity.

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