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Initial fault caused by clothes jammed in between drums.
Glass fuse on control unit blown. Removed obstruction, checked physical condition of motor/brushes etc, replaced fuse with a link wire. Machine would then fill, wash, heat, drain run up to distribute speed but would not go into spin.
Sent control unit to be repaired and after refitting the fault is still the same.
I am going back with a pressure switch to eliminate that as a possible before sending the unit back for re testing.Anyone come across a pressure switch causing this kind of fault ❓
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
It’s the armature that’s stuffed I reckon :lesson:
Wouldn’t be a Creda 17085 by any chance????
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
Martin wrote:It’s the armature that’s stuffed I reckon :lesson:
Wouldn’t be a Creda 17085 by any chance????
Armature is fairly new and runs perfectly smoothly on wash/distribute.
Not sure of model number from here at home, but it is a much later model with the hybrid control unit.
Its a 17187E or similar.
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
I will stand by what I think is the fault. Just one question though on this….when you set it say on to a fast spin only, does it take ages to even attempt to ramp into the first spin mode and seem to hang in distribute mode?
If so = new armature (i.e. ARM20)
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
Martin wrote:I will stand by what I think is the fault. Just one question though on this….when you set it say on to a fast spin only, does it take ages to even attempt to ramp into the first spin mode and seem to hang in distribute mode?
If so = new armature (i.e. ARM20)
No it runs up to full distribute and faster at normal time interval.
Will try a 1603070 😉 if all else fails and report back. 🙂
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
with this control board it will shut down if tacho circuit fails and re attempt. Also if triac faulty it will shut down, could well be when firing on triac for spin that this is causing the board to shut down.
If this is the case you will get bursts of spin and then nothing.
If this helps?I
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
Control unit has been to QER for test/repair. Don’t think tacho is faulty as motor runs perfectly smoothly on wash, all wiring is fine, although I respect everything that Martin says, I have never had to replace an armature for this fault, and we have both been around for a very long time. 😥 🙂 ( but there is always a first time) 🙂
However I have in the past changed several control units for the exact same fault with 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} success in every case.
The machine is behaving as if it was in an OOB condition whilst it has no clothes in it.Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
Its really one of those that you know you are just going to have to put the bits on and try, if needed Ive a good used contol unit 904242502 hpt wm although ive new ones I saved this to get me out of trouble at some stage or other.
Your more than welcome to pick it up and use it.. SK6 just off motorway at Bredbury turning. I ve also a good test rig for Hotpoint / Creda motors.
Let me know if needed – If it helps you are welcome to it.
Steve.Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
It’s not something really stupid like a ‘no spin’ switch on the front pushed in?
I’m not sure if there is such a switch on this machine but it’s fooled me before.
Bob
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
bobokines wrote:It’s not something really stupid like a ‘no spin’ switch on the front pushed in?
Good point Bob, I think that machine does have a variable spin speed switch with a ‘no spin’ position…crickey 😕
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
Will check out the no spin, machine is in a very dingy garage propped up across two wooden staves, it is an absolute nightmare to move.
I do have an old control unit which has the more common overheating problem that I usually use for motor testing pruposes.
Will let you all know the outcome. 🙂
Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
SORTED. 🙂 😳 😳 😳
Machine is actually a Creda 17113X.
I don’t have a specific manual on this as it it virtually all Hotpoint WM.
The control knob is different on these machines, it is a push on fit without a locking collar & screw. fitting the test timer from a Hotpoint machine reveals that the timers are different as the knob is around 90° out of line on the Hotpoint timer.
There is no spin cancel feature, only a slow spin option. The main difference is that unlike most Hotpoint machines this one has a variable temp control.I fitted up a table lamp and a long flex to give me some light in what is a very dark garage and found that the fault was self inflicted. 😉
On the bottom edge of the PCB at the motor end of the board, are two plug positions, one marked rpm, the other temp. In my defence I could see very little and was almost working by touch the first time and I had fitted the blue, four terminal plug to the very end ‘spin’ position and not on the adjacent ‘temp’ position.
It is a rather poor design to have two plug positions so close together that will take the exact same plug, but I am attempting to shift the blame when it really was my fault. 😳
I was certain the motor was OK though. 😉
On this type control unit I came across a machine that an engineer had been to and replaced a drum. Unfortunately for some reason unknown he had removed the timer seperately. When he put it back the two way green plug top and the two way plug bottom also green (that was the washer dryer – normally purple had been swapped.
The fault I was given was tripping electrics and now dead. No history at this stage.. The other guy had long since gone.
meggering the machine showed a s/c thermistor. I removed the heater and the blown control unit, nothing obvious other than the blown board, carried out Ins – Earth and resistance checks all was well.
The machine ran, no problem. washing fine, never got as far as heating as the customer asked does it spin cause thats when it went, I was informed. Casually putting it on spin BANG.
After ages head scratching and the customer being more honest about pre call eventually. I realised the plug to the thermistor measuring resistance was crossed with the plug going to the pump, putting 240V on the thermistor when selecting drain, what a P*G.
Point here you couldnt tell by looking at the plugs or control.
I did feel a clever so and so once sorted but the bill for two controls (it wasnt my place to pay for them) and heater and a fair amount of time, they said the pre guy hadnt charged for the drum, ensured a hefty bill.
But I always check this whenever I am replacing any WM, or WD controls.
I guess its easy to do but harder to find when its works out like the above situation.
Well Done, IODM you never forget these do you, but weve all been there.Re: Creda/WM type no spin.
This is SAD! I’m sitting in my hotel room on holiday, and I just had to log in to see the outcome of this one.
Well done for sorting it
Bob
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