Dear Mr Masterpart….

[Martin]

Could you advise us as to whether or not the pattern element equivalents you supply contain safety microtemp links embedded in the element? (see photo)

For example: Bosch suitable element BS34113 (Genuine = 265961)

[goosegreen]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Martin, Why are you asking? As yesterday I Fitted a MP SV34101 Servis element which the description stated: Thermal Fuse fitted. Have I got another thing to worry about 😯 .

Goose

[Penguin45]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Probably because of this:
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ch+element

Chris.

[goosegreen]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Not nice when a part you purchased in good faith turns out to be unsuitable for its intended use and this has to be down to the supplier. I was more worried about Martins post as he implied that maybe Masterparts heaters may not have thermal Cut outs fitted when they should have. Last year i did a few jobs for an insurance Co, and one of the jobs I reported on was an integrated Ardo washer where the contents of the drum caught fire due to blocked pressure switch chamber holding the pressure switch on.

Goose

[Martin]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

goosegreen wrote:I was more worried about Martins post as he implied that maybe Masterparts heaters may not have thermal Cut outs fitted when they should have.

Not implying Goose but merely asking 😉

In a more general context the question can be directed at all who supply pattern elements that are designed to fit in plastic tubs? They should all have intergral thermocouples for the reasons you describe. 🙂

They are easy enough to test, apply a bit of heat from a blowtorch for a second or too, if the element goes open circuit it’s then stuffed but at least you know it had one fitted!!! 😆

[ANDYVIVO]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Hi Martin,
When a copy – pattern element is produced, it is made to the same as the
original version at time of going to manufacturer. So is deemed to be of a suitable equivalent. However if the original manufacturer then amends the design, the copy can take some time to update, dependent of how many of the original design are in circulation.
As for reference BS34113, a thermal fuse is included in the manufacturing process.
HTH, regards Andy

[Martin]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

ANDYVIVO wrote:As for reference BS34113, a thermal fuse is included in the manufacturing process.

I am delighted to hear it Andy and I must say on that basis the BS34113 is remarkably good value. Rest assured that as a result of your assurance I shall be ordering some from you in preference to the genuine. Thanks! 🙂

[Martin]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

ANDYVIVO wrote:When a copy – pattern element is produced, it is made to the same as the
original version at time of going to manufacturer.

Ah now I have bought the BS34113 and it is indeed the same as the one I purchased a while back from Connect. In that the rubber gasket is wrong and cannot be fitted as an equivalent to the genuine Bosch (see photo)

And a thread I published on the same subject a while back : –

http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ch+element

Whilst it’s reassuring to know the pattern element includes a boil dry microtemp system, unless the gasket from the original element is cut off and swapped onto the pattern element, fitting as an alternative is a definate no no! 🙁

[ANDYVIVO]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Hi Martin,
Have checked the stock and our suppliers all have the same type. For a period we will have to withdraw the stock untill the correct version is sourced. Sorry for any problems this will cause, please arrange for a return with sales@masterpart.com for this element.
Regards Andy

[Martin]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Your prompt attention is much appreciated, believe me. It is so good that a respectable supplier of spares such as you and your company are, that listen and react so quickly to problems in the field in this way. Thanks!

Please let me know when the up-dated version is in stock? 😉

[Martin]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Martin wrote:Please let me know when the up-dated version is in stock? 😉

Andy,

Would I be correct in thinking a new version is now available? Qualtex have announced their HTR72 very recently? 😉

[ANDYVIVO]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Hi Martin,
We will be sourcing our own, we will not be using the same as Qualtex!
Regards Andy

[agro]

just a chat but do you think these matsui elements are any good in their ovens they cost about three squid and look very very cheapy any comments may be why i call them matpoohy

[Martin]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Thought I would try a pair of the pattern Bosch Carbon Brushes (as they were on special offer at the time) Part No: BS12103 equivalent to the genuine Bosch 154740.

Unfortunately I must say they ain’t brilliant, in fact they’re very poor even in comparison to other pattern equivalents. The first noticable thing about them is that the carbons is very black and very course in composition. (Can’t be fagged with taking a photo of the differences right now) The genuine and other patterns being lighter in colour and smooth surfaced. They also are fractionally smaller (though I haven’t a micrometer handy to measure them?).

Placing them in situ and they make a god awful racket (yes I have put them in the right way round) and spark like a dodgem car pick-up arm. Take trouble to remove them and replace with genuine and the comparison is obvious. Same too with the other pattern brand I carry (Qualtex CAR93 in fact).

I notice that UKW stock this type of brush in their Shop@also and a number of posts from the public at large that have DIY’ed them in also make mention of the effect when first installed. I’m suspect that a long ‘running in period’ at low speed may well allow these to bed in but I’m not taking a chance on that personally. (For the price I charge I’m not bodging anything and cover my backside in the process – thanks!)

Could I ask what the actual composition is of these carbons is in terms of hardness in comparison to the genuine? They are printed 39542 on the side so I guess that means something in relation to it’s hardness specification, does it?

Thanks! 😀

[goosegreen]

Re: Dear Mr Masterpart….

Have had the same problems as Martin with M/P Bosch BS12103 brushes and have found that the sides of the brushes need to be sanded down a bit to improve the fit, And I have also made up a thin insulated probe to push down on the brush as the motor is in motion, Have found that this helps the brush to bed in to the the curvature of the armature quicker. I have had the same problems with gen Bosch brushes so might as well save £15 as I have had to do the same thing with the Bosch part, And I also give the Arm a lot of attention with a brush seating stick.

Goose

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