DrDill’s Latest Bashing Thread

[DrDill]

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nigegt wrote:I’ve been reading this thread and all i can say is DrDill please just give one long reply to the many questions posted or just drop the bone, Then i can see your point for myself. Your initial question i think has been more than answered so what are you after now? Or are you just intent on just having the last word?

Regards

Nige
if you read the thread you can also read that i have acknowledged lawrence’s reply and thanked him for it!

[DrDill]

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kwatt wrote:

kwatt wrote:
Tell you what, since you’re a RETRA member, can you get the to send me a copy of their response?

I didnt know that they had sent a response, i havnt recieved any corrospondence from them since i signed up, and i only did that so i could get the Amica work. I will see if i can get a copy and email it to you if you want.

kwatt wrote:Remember all i asked was to see what was sent. 🙁

Why?

As the WTA asked for responces from non members as well as members, i assumed that the non members that took the time to submit a responce would recieve a copy of the report, Lawrence has explained why that wont happen yet and i have accepted it.

kwatt wrote:Who forced you to go?

Who forced you to comment?
I wasnt forced to comment, i just exercised my right to do so on open invitation, as i have said previously i am all for the WTA, but i wont become a member until i decide its right for me.

kwatt wrote:So, what you’re saying is that it’s okay for you to ask questions and you expect answers and, it’s okay for you to try to assert your own opinion…

…but it’s not okay for anyone to challenge that?

I am not saying that at all, i believe its okay for all of us to ask questions and expect answers and also for all of us to challange them, i welcome the debate and for people to disagree with me, i accept that.

It’s not okay for anyone to question your argument?

Of course its okay for anyone to question my argument, i welcome it.

But at the same time you expect answers on the questions that you ask of others?

I accept that some will respond and some wont, thats okay.

And, you expect to be shown respect for this behaviour, as in your position and points being given any respect or credence?

I dont seek respect or credence, not my motive.

Or is it that you just want to sling mud at whoever?

It isnt my intention to appear to sling mud, i just ask questions to seek answers.

And, as you didn’t notice I had already changed the thread title.

It must have change in between my postings! Thank you for changing that.K.

Anything else feel free to ask me.

But to point out again, i am not against the WTA, i guess it may seem that i am but i can assure you i am not. The WTA is a move in the right direction as far as i am concerned, but certain things i would like to see and they have been discussed in other threads.

[Lawrence]

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DrDill wrote:But to point out again, i am not against the WTA, i guess it may seem that i am but i can assure you i am not. The WTA is a move in the right direction as far as i am concerned, but certain things i would like to see and they have been discussed in other threads.

And that’s where this should end…

[bazza500]

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Having read this thread, and the others that DrDill has posted in, I would like to make my point.

DrDill has said “I like what the WTA are trying to do but I am not willing to join at the moment” or words along that line.

Now, there are people in this world who are pro-active and people who are re-active.

My opinion is that the current members are pro-active in that they are willing to join an association and pay their subscription to make the trade better, more organised and more recognised by government bodies and the general public.

DrDill, you strike me as re-active. A person who will sit on the by-line and wait until all the hard work is done and when the benefits start rolling in you will want to jump on the band wagon and reap what benefits you can.

If you want the trade to be better in the way you desire, why not join the WTA now and have an input into the direction it goes?

[DrDill]

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bazza500 wrote:Having read this thread, and the others that DrDill has posted in, I would like to make my point.

DrDill has said “I like what the WTA are trying to do but I am not willing to join at the moment” or words along that line.

Correct

Now, there are people in this world who are pro-active and people who
are re-active.

proactive adjective – definition from Cambridge Dictionary Online: taking action by causing change and not only reacting to change
when it happens.

re·ac·tive [ ree áktiv ]. adjective. Definition: 1. reacting: tending to react to events and situations rather than initiating or instigating them

I would say that i am a bit of both,

My opinion is that the current members are pro-active in that they are willing to join an association and pay their subscription to make the trade better, more organised and more recognised by government bodies and the general public.

To back that point up you would have to find out how many of the members actually attend meetings, and how many actually put their points forward to the OFT report. I would guess that many members merely joined so that they could get the Amica work. Also it would be fair to say that some members have no interest in what happens with this trade, it takes all sorts.

DrDill, you strike me as re-active. A person who will sit on the by-line and wait until all the hard work is done and when the benefits start rolling in you will want to jump on the band wagon and reap what benefits you can.

You are sort of correct, but lets get the facts, this world is full of the small minority who work tirelessly for change in all sorts of areas, and when change happens the majority always jump on the bandwagon, thats life and that will never change. Therefoer there is more reactive people than pro active always has been, so i am no different to most of the others on here. But, lets consider for a minute that my “rantings” can actually open debate and the pro active consider the points made, it all shapes change, but then again debates often do.

If you want the trade to be better in the way you desire, why not join the WTA now and have an input into the direction it goes?

I dont believe that being a member is the only way to improve this trade, and until certain things change i will not join. I dont believe that all the members of the WTA have as much input as you think, some dont want to bother, but that is why you have an elected council to take the WTA forward, they are the ones that do all the graft and expence and i congratulate them.

[Alex]

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DrDill wrote:I dont believe that being a member is the only way to improve this trade, and until certain things change i will not join. I dont believe that all the members of the WTA have as much input as you think, some dont want to bother, but that is why you have an elected council to take the WTA forward, they are the ones that do all the graft and expence and i congratulate them.

I really shouldn’t add to this so I will post only once.

What things in your opinion need changing, and do I take it you mean from within the WTA.

I have one comment; if you are not part of the solution, you must be part of the problem!

Alex

[DrDill]

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Alex. I dont mean changes to personell as such except to say i believe that the council members or advisers ton should not have any conflict of interests.
The main change i would like to see would be the joining criteria, every member to be visited, test equipment evaluated, previous customers contacted to gauge customer satisfaction, insurances inspected waste liscences mandatory so old parts can be recycled not go to landfill are just the start as far as i am concerned.
I realise that not many agree with these suggestions as of costs etc but its my opinion and you asked, that is why will not join yet, but should that change in the future then i would join.
Some may see me as part of the problem and i accept that, but i do know we always operate to as high a standard as we can, which is more than the proposed COP.

[Martin]

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DrDill wrote:The main change i would like to see would be the joining criteria, every member to be visited, test equipment evaluated, previous customers contacted to gauge customer satisfaction, insurances inspected waste liscences mandatory so old parts can be recycled not go to landfill

Are the black uniform and jackboots approach eh?

DrDill wrote:but should that change in the future then i would join.

Recruitment Inspector DrDill in his full length black leather coat, dark glasses and trilby coming knocking on your shop door sometime soon…… 😯

[Allsorts]

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DrDill wrote:Alex. I dont mean changes to personell as such except to say i believe that the council members or advisers ton should not have any conflict of interests.

DrDill, May I ask you to enlighten us about any ‘Conflict of interests’ that you consider WTA council members may hold, that they may answer your problem and possibly eleviate any problematic thoughts you may be having.

DrDill wrote:The main change i would like to see would be the joining criteria, every member to be visited, test equipment evaluated, previous customers contacted to gauge customer satisfaction, insurances inspected waste liscences mandatory so old parts can be recycled not go to landfill are just the start as far as i am concerned.

This paragraph holds many envisaged changes that would be nice to see, however, I forsee a few problems in that area:

1.. Unless a member carried waste then it is overkill to force a member to hold a licence for such. Maybe an answer to this is to ask the member on joining wether they carry waste and act thereafter

2.. Customer Opinion Screening by a third party, TA or not, without the prior opinion of that customer to release contact details would possibly be breaking Data Protection Laws.
I do realise that there are answers to these problems. Answers would need to be trialed and then implemented if successful.

You will notice I didn’t respond regarding visits, test equipment or insurances; this is due to the fact that it is already or shortly will be possible for visits and/or inspections to be done, but that is up to WTA to implement.. regarding members insurance certificates, the inspection of members PL insurance is already ongoing before membership.

DrDill wrote:I realise that not many agree with these suggestions as of costs etc but its my opinion and you asked, that is why will not join yet, but should that change in the future then i would join.
Some may see me as part of the problem and i accept that, but i do know we always operate to as high a standard as we can, which is more than the proposed COP.

I don’t have a problem with anything you suggest. Suggestions create improvements, even the negative ones.

I am a WTA member, and my reason for joining was to make a difference. Even though you can not see what individual members are doing to make changes, beleive me when I say that a fair number of members are pro-active.

So I say to you… Why not join and act to effect the change that you want in this profession.

George

[DrDill]

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Martin wrote:

DrDill wrote:
The main change i would like to see would be the joining criteria, every member to be visited, test equipment evaluated, previous customers contacted to gauge customer satisfaction, insurances inspected waste liscences mandatory so old parts can be recycled not go to landfill

Are the black uniform and jackboots approach eh?

DrDill wrote:but should that change in the future then i would join.

Recruitment Inspector DrDill in his full length black leather coat, dark glasses and trilby coming knocking on your shop door sometime soon…… 😯

Yes Martin i am up for doing it, i would do it for nothing as long as i was a member of the WTA. Happy to help.

[DrDill]

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Allsorts wrote:

DrDill wrote:
Alex. I dont mean changes to personell as such except to say i believe that the council members or advisers ton should not have any conflict of interests.

DrDill, May I ask you to enlighten us about any ‘Conflict of interests’ that you consider WTA council members may hold, that they may answer your problem and possibly eleviate any problematic thoughts you may be having.

DrDill wrote:The main change i would like to see would be the joining criteria, every member to be visited, test equipment evaluated, previous customers contacted to gauge customer satisfaction, insurances inspected waste liscences mandatory so old parts can be recycled not go to landfill are just the start as far as i am concerned.

This paragraph holds many envisaged changes that would be nice to see, however, I forsee a few problems in that area:

1.. Unless a member carried waste then it is overkill to force a member to hold a licence for such. Maybe an answer to this is to ask the member on joining wether they carry waste and act thereafter

2.. Customer Opinion Screening by a third party, TA or not, without the prior opinion of that customer to release contact details would possibly be breaking Data Protection Laws.
I do realise that there are answers to these problems. Answers would need to be trialed and then implemented if successful.

You will notice I didn’t respond regarding visits, test equipment or insurances; this is due to the fact that it is already or shortly will be possible for visits and/or inspections to be done, but that is up to WTA to implement.. regarding members insurance certificates, the inspection of members PL insurance is already ongoing before membership.

DrDill wrote:I realise that not many agree with these suggestions as of costs etc but its my opinion and you asked, that is why will not join yet, but should that change in the future then i would join.
Some may see me as part of the problem and i accept that, but i do know we always operate to as high a standard as we can, which is more than the proposed COP.

I don’t have a problem with anything you suggest. Suggestions create improvements, even the negative ones.

I am a WTA member, and my reason for joining was to make a difference. Even though you can not see what individual members are doing to make changes, beleive me when I say that a fair number of members are pro-active.

So I say to you… Why not join and act to effect the change that you want in this profession.

George

Ideally members of the council should not have interests with other organisations or be advisers to them, i think it could conflict.

[kwatt]

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I see you edited a bit out DrDill.

How can you have members that do not have other interests if they are not fully paid for by the association?

K.

[DrDill]

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kwatt wrote:I see you edited a bit out DrDill.

How can you have members that do not have other interests if they are not fully paid for by the association?

K.

What i mean is for at the very least the Chairman only being involved in the WTA, which i realise is dificult due to funding, but in the future the WTA could be self funding through subscriptions and the top job would be paid from that, i know unrealistic at the moment.

I did edit a bit out, and it was because i have recieved over a dozen emails containing the report sent by the WTA to th OFT, there is one main thing in there that i dont like or agree with but that is because it is from my perspective, so i deleted it.
I noticed that my input was on the last page and sent to the OFT.

[Allsorts]

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DrDill wrote:
What i mean is for at the very least the Chairman only being involved in the WTA, which i realise is dificult due to funding, but in the future the WTA could be self funding through subscriptions and the top job would be paid from that, i know unrealistic at the moment.

DrDill, Can I ask why you think this would be necessary?

Since there are many council members and all have a vote, the fact of any conflicts is wiped out. The only advantage that any person would gain from the conflict is being able to add a subject to the agenda and one vote.

Advising of a steering group is as discribed, advising, putting ideas forward and giving reasons why certain avenues may gather a negative response. A person giving advice can no more sway a comittee by any more than one vote than you or I could. Advice is given and then voted on by the whole comittee, and this eliminates any conflict.

George

[Lawrence]

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DrDill wrote:What i mean is for at the very least the Chairman only being involved in the WTA, which i realise is dificult due to funding, but in the future the WTA could be self funding through subscriptions and the top job would be paid from that, i know unrealistic at the moment.

Paying a Chairman a salary from Funds would wipe out any funds ,unless you charged a much higher subscription rate and then the members would be funding a salary and not much else.

The best way is to have checks and balances in place which we have ,I don’t understand the conflict point you are making ,surely by definition the term
“Trade Association ” means like minded people or companies from within the sector are going to be a part of it doesn’t it 😕
Also the members can make representation to the steering group to bring points of order up at the next AGM if they should have any issues.

However the way I see it is you have stated why you don’t want to join the WTA ,I respect those reasons -I don’t agree with them,you still have concerns with regard to the WTA if you write to the WTA or email Admin stating your questions we will answer them ,we have a team meeting Next Thurs/Fri if you put your queries through they can be discussed there and I will make sure you get an answer on every point that you query through these two mediums .
Lawrence

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