Duel fuel cooker repairs

[CARLJONESDAR]

Can someone confirm what the legal position when repairing these cookers? I’m NOT GasSafe registered so can I replace the fan oven element on one of these cookers so long as its not necessary to disconnect any of the gas parts, pipes or hose? Thanks

[lee8]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

The regs relating to gas quite clearly state you cannot break into a gas carrying component. Replacing electrical components is perfectly legal on a dual fuel appliance as long as no gas components are worked on.

[CARLJONESDAR]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

Thanks for the quick responce lee8. Do you know where I can download a copy of that reg to pass on to a customer. Would be a great help. Thanks

[johnmac11]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

Look at this previous post on the subject.

John

general-trade-forum/working-gas-cookers-information-t66145-15.html

[SAMURI]

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You are still leaving yourself at risk as the last person to work on the appliance is responsible.

After any work on a duel fuel appliance a safety test should be carried out as how do you know it was safe before you worked on it and was it installed correctly, ventilation etc.

It is not worth the risk for the odd duel fuel job.

If anything went wrong afterwards the customer would not be on your side and the compo lawyers would love you as the last man to work on it, if you are not gas safe.

Bob

[CARLJONESDAR]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

Thanks for all your feedback. Have emailed customer with info from previous post and the phone number of Gas Safe for them to check.

Carl

[lee8]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

Unless your gas competent which means trained you cannot be deemed responsible, but commonsense is used as a qualified electrical technician should be aware leaking gas joints should not be left to leak, but an appliances flame picture being wrong due to low gas pressure is not something an untrained person would be expected to spot.

It would take a pretty dump person to damage the gas components on a dual fuel cooker when replacing an element or fan motor.

[cookerfit]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

Its worth noting that D&G are now adamant that no work of any kind is carried out on a gas or dual fuel appliance unless the operative is Gas Safe registered.
Regards
Cookerfit

[SAMURI]

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Last person to work on the appliance is the first person to be investigated if anything goes wrong.

If you are not Gas Safe Registered the it leaves you as the scapegoat.

I do not bother as it is not worth the risk.

Bob

[Andy jones]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

I’ve completely stopped doing anything where there is a gas hob even if it can be done without taking the cooker out, just not worth the risk

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[Martin]

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Gas Safe themselves are very blasé about it stating the usual “……as long as you don’t touch the gas pipes”. simply because there are far too many dual fuels and not enough Gas Safe to fix them.

But the ….last person to touch it is reason enough NOT to get involved if you can possibly avoid it. Gas Safe themselves can issue court proceedings should they consider the last guy to attend should not have touched it if they find problems later. Problem not necessarily connected with the dual fuel either.

Also, you must declare to your PL insurers that you mess with gas appliances otherwise you will find yourself right in it!!!

[lee8]

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It’s the responsibility of the last Gas Engineer, not the last person to touch it.

[Andy jones]

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lee8 wrote:It’s the responsibility of the last Gas Engineer, not the last person to touch it.

Surely the last gas engineer can’t be responsible if someone looks at it after him?

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[lee8]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

If the last engineer simply replaced a fan oven element how on earth is it gonna cause an at risk or immediately dangerous situation on the gas. Most gas pipe fitted in the correct location will not require disconnection, simply removing back panel and element a monkey could do with several minutes training. I’ve worked on many dual fuel appliances and never caused an issue requiring repair to the gas side. Even when you replace gas components it’s only a few nuts to tighten, spray with leak spray and pressure test, it’s not rocket science, witchcraft or magic. If the training only included cookers on retake and not ccn1, bloody flues and ventilation requirements on products most white goods Eng wouldn’t spot in real life the course would cover all areas within an hour, but then they cannot justify the course fees, so they include balanced flues, compartments etc etc.

[Andy jones]

Re: Duel fuel cooker repairs

What I’m saying lee is that if a gas problem arises and you’ve had that cooker out its going to put you in a compromising position. I used to do gas with HOTPOINT many years ago when only the company had to be registered

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