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Re: EBAC washing machines launch in the spring
I know how manufacturers work. It doesn’t make it right. As a consumer myself if l choose an LG tv I’d like it to be an LG made tv and not the cheap shit that l had chosen not to buy, that’s one improvement the Internet has brought, the ability to find out your being decived before you part with the £’s.
Re: EBAC washing machines launch in the spring
lee8 wrote:I know how manufacturers work. It doesn’t make it right. As a consumer myself if l choose an LG tv I’d like it to be an LG made tv and not the cheap s**t that l had chosen not to buy, that’s one improvement the Internet has brought, the ability to find out your being decived before you part with the £’s.
Then you’ll never buy anything as you’ll NEVER know where all the parts are manufacturedBryan
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At component level obviously but an identical product with very little difference if any priced dramatically different, no its immoral. By the fact they do it proves there immoral.
Re: EBAC washing machines launch in the spring
. What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.Re: EBAC washing machines launch in the spring
Nonsense. Really. Baumatic sold overpriced products. The Chinese crap you moan about. Though now it seems unless your the one pointing it out its nonsense. There reliability was borderline unfit for purpose . Which ultimately caused the failure of the business, it’s not uncommon, enough of a hole to cause injury, yet it seems not larger enough to stop people continuingly failing over it.
Maybe Ebac will price the product accordingly, although l get the feeling because it’s “British” the price will be premium and in several yrs time the “project” will leave a few peeps pissed off and some dealers, agents out of pocket. Again.
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Au contraire, I have never, ever used the phrase ‘unicorn poo’ in respect of a machines quality. As I have already stated it is a stupid and incorrect term used by people too lazy to actually think about what they are writing, it should not be used to describe something of poor quality. As the Unicorn is a mythical beast if you really did have some Unicorn Poo it would be beyond value.
Unicorn Poo means something does not exist, it does not mean it is rubbish. 😛
Re: EBAC washing machines launch in the spring
Ads starting to pop up on social media now I see. Their range isn’t quite what I was hoping for though, 6 to 9 kilo, 1200 to 1600 spin, all in white.
At least there’s a hot and cold fill option as they promised, better that your gas combi heats the water at a third of the cost IMO.
Cant actually buy a machine as yet though 😯
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Can I ask, why do you think hot fill is better…
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buyi … again.html
I just don’t get why that train of thought refuses to die.
Most buyers will likely end up wasting more energy that they save, considerably more and they’ll pay for the privilege of wasting it to boot.
K.
Re: EBAC washing machines launch in the spring
And hitting modern biological detergents with very hot water kills the enzymes before they have had a chance to work correctly.
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The combi boiler would deliver hot water as and when required and make economic sense, especially so with multi-load wash cycles. As for the enzymes not working when hot water is applied at the start of the cycle, can that really be the case, have detergent manufacturers stopped making the stuff?
My Bosch WFS 3010 (hot fill) does a fab job at 60 degrees and the cycle is done inside 50 minutes. My other machines (cold fill) take more than 2 hrs 30 plus plus meaning my tenants have to forever go to the local shop to reload their leccy keys just to do their washing. So an Ebac with hot fill may make sound economic sense for all combi owners.
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My understanding has always been that the enzymes work correctly when introduced to cooler water then heated. If the water is too hot to start with the enzymes are killed off before they have had chance to work.
Biological detergents clean in the same way as non-biological ones with additional effects from the enzymes, whose purpose is to break down protein, starches and fat in dirt and stains on clothing to be laundered, for example food stains, sweat and mud. Tests by the Consumers’ Association in the UK published in their Which? magazine rated the cleaning performance of washing powders based on stain removal, whiteness, and colour fading. It was found that the performance of various makes of biological powders ranged from 58{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} to 81{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}, and non-biological powders scored from 41{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} to 70{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}. The enzymes in biological detergents enable effective cleaning at lower temperatures than required by normal detergents, but are denatured at higher temperatures[1]—about 50 °C is recommended.[2] A biological detergent can contain ?-amylase, a cellulase, a protease and a lipase.[3]
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Main trouble is trying to convince customers that cold fill is just as good, is it a coincidence that detergent drawers didn’t mould up half as bad as they do now
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Jim is correct.
I don’t understand Martin, how can you say it makes economic sense when in terms of energy efficiency and cost, it’s normally (99.9{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the time) cheaper and more efficient to heat the water in the drum? The only possible gain I could see and, it’s big maybe, is on a hot wash >60?C but the savings would be so small as to be moot I expect. In commercial volumes, perhaps a different case could be argued.
In any event, the installation has to be bang on or, it won’t save you squat.
Drawers have always been dirty smelly things Andy, remember cleaning out blocked SD hoses caked with detergent? Or those many houses where it looked as if the drawer had been left to rot? It’s not a new phenomena nor one exclusive to modern machines.
Back in the day though, when machines were comparatively more of your salary, I’d guess more people took more care of them. These days… not so much it seems.
K.
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